Joker: Folie à Deux reviews

Uh o this spells two flops in a row for Phoenix. Napoleon also underperformed critically. The man is a great actor but after the latest stunt with the gay film he might be OVAH soon.

I did not like Joaquin Phoenix in his role as “Joker”.

Love this for both of those insufferable cunts.

The incel contingent won't like this movie either. They like to play contrarian with the critics, especially when it comes to comic book movies, but doubt that will happen here given it's a musical.

R3: I think his late brother was a superior actor and better looking too.

I'll see it, it might be one of those 'so awful it's good' movies.

Yay! Glad to hear it's not doing well in reviews.

I can't stand either of them.

JFC, can’t they write a review without telling the whole story. They list every song snd even what they are wearing.

Wow

R5 What’s your beef with Gaga?

R12 it's just the weird Madonna fans stuck in a time warp.

Hating Gaga is so 2012.

Yet one of the articles I read today said that it had everyone's mouths hanging open by the end, and it was "daring" among other things. Who ARE these people in Venice who give 16 minute standing ovations?

To be clear, I'm talking about a standing ovation for another movie (Maria, I think?), but still.

R14 reviews have been very mixed. There are some absolute raves. And some absolute pans.

Very similar to the first Joker, fwiw.

I think the only consistent critiques have been that Phoenix and Gaga were great.

The preview I saw in the theater a week ago didn't make me want to see it. Just 2+ hours of ugliness, violence and negativity. Why?

How is it similar to the first one? It's a goddamn musical...

I related a lot to the joker character in this first one. Weird, lonely, stuck and emotionally damaged

After the shitfests that were ASIB and House of Gucci, I have no wish to ever watch another Lady Gaga film.

Yup, it’s a turd.

Todd Phillips definitely sucks at sequels. “The Hangover” was brilliant and the sequels were horrible.

So it’s not a surprise to me this sucked too.

Tired of sequels.

R13, lol. It’s you who is in a time warp. You don’t have to be a Madonna fan to be turned off by Gaga. Aside from her obviously appropriating from Madonna, some of us are just unimpressed and turned off by her pretentiousness and her voice. I swear Madonna haters are far worse than Madonna lovers

She was awful in ASIB and House of Gucci. I am done with her as an actress. I actually think she is Madonna level bad at acting.

She really has always rubbed me the wrong way, so she's a non-starter for me in any movie.

She's too hideous to be an actress.

Shocked that these two professional scene-chewers couldn't paste together a watchable movie. Let's blame his hairlip or her moustache.

R It’s a jukebox musical. Yay. What songs are in it.

There could be100 people who pan your movie…

LOLOL R30

I am the Earth Mother and it is a FLOP.

Here is my issue with Gaga:

I do like her. I think she can be good. The problem is she wants to be great too soon. She was good in a Star is Born, but she already wants an Oscar for acting, on her first film, no less. She bites off more than she can chew, as an actress - accents, character work - which leaves her only to chew the scenery. She doesn’t quite yet have the chops for the roles she is given. You see her trying to make every scene important - you see the work.

Not everyone can be a natural like Andra Day and hit Billie Holiday out of the park your first go at it.

She was good in A Star is Born ,six years ago, because she was acting a role she has probably lived before. She has experienced every beat of that movie in her life at some point. At that stage in her career, she should have selected more roles like that, closer to who she is and developed her chops. She’s not bad, she’s just not great in roles that require it.

I still love the scene in A Star is Born when she gets on the stage in front of a large audience for the first time. Out of all of the actors in the scene, who were pretending that they have been doing it for years, she is the only one of them who knows what it really feels like to perform in front of 10k people - yet she had to act as if it was her first time.

[quote] you see the work.

And I can hear it: click-click-click.

You see the work in her acting AND hear the work in her singing

Why we hate Lady Fuckface.

The obscene display of pretentiousness.

[quote]“We made a galaxy of endless colors with only brief, black holes of emptiness that are then filled by each other.”

[quote]“We made love on this canvas on a Sunday in Chicago. We made love amidst chaos. We talked about shootings. We made love amidst terrorism. And we talked about how people’s hearts are suffering all over the world as they watch and witness a swell of violence. We made love amidst violence.”

R37, thank you! Exactly!

This quote is enough to despise her

[quote]I wouldn’t necessarily say that this is actually a musical in a lot of ways. It’s very different...The way that music is used is to really give the characters a way to express what they needed to say because saying it is not enough

Yeah, that's exactly what a musical is

Apparently she sings at least one Nirvana song.

Essentially ripping off that last (actually good) Batman movie starring the Twilight guy.

People liked her when she just sang and wore unusual outfits. Acting is just not her thing.

AGREED r41! Just no no no. If she had it, we would have seen it by now. Waaaaaay overhyped on her acting. However, I usually enjoy her live vocals, she’s fun to watch as she’s the only Liza-esque performer right now.

Outside of her Fandom, isn't she about a decade past her sell-by date?

Lady HaHa cannot act. The reviews praising her are paid by her. I remember that horrible J-Lo movie from this summer praising her acting as Oscar worthy. All payola. Lady HaHa’s acting chops are payola. When I watched HOG I was infuriated how bad she was after being told how good she was. It’s not just her. Payola for praise is rampant in entertainment now.

This movie sounds fucking awful.

Lady HaHa fans are obsessed thinking anyone who hates her is a Madonna fan. They cannot fathom why so many despise this inorganic try hard cunt. She is pretentious to the nth degree. Nobody cares about her music career, so she payola’d everything on acting praise. She and her fans cannot live without the validation of awards. You can see how calculated she is because every single thing she does is done having an award in mind. She knows her fans are some of the weakest minded fragile beings on Earth who would abandon her if not for awards. She wasted how much time on this stinker thinking she was for sure getting an award. She also fucking ugly as hell.

R44, you could’ve worked one more “payola” in your post.

R45 Nah, I made my point. Thanks for the concern, though. 💙

I liked the payola! It’s sooooo true!

R47 It is true and it’s out of control. It’s their money maker. They just lavish praise on celebrities nonstop. I love when they heap payola praise on something and the audience score is terrible. Seeing them get caught is pleasing.

R37 That. Every fucking thing she does is followed by the most pretentious shit imaginable. GD that was hard to read. She’s too thirsty and it is a huge turn off. She is not charismatic and she is not pretty. She’s frankly exhausting.

Good lord. That quote at R39 makes her sound not only pretentious, but stupid as fuck.

We have Lady Gaga’s fiancé to thank for her next pop album

The singer will release the first single from LG7 in October

Little Monster’s rejoice: Lady Gaga is returning with a new pop album and it’s all thanks to her fiancé, Michael Polansky.

Speaking to Vogue for a recent cover story, the 38-year-old spilled some details about her upcoming new music, sharing that the first single would release in October (!), with the album, known only as LG7 so far, coming early next year.

“Michael [Polansky] is the person who told me to make a new pop record,” Gaga said, referring to her fiancé, who she got engaged to in April this year. “He was like, ‘Babe. I love you. You need to make pop music.’”

Her finest hour:

She’s not a good actress.

She’s one of those actors that think emotion is the only part of acting.

I remember watching the movie “Hereditary” for the third time and noticed a scene where Toni Collette walks out of the master bathroom, tosses dirty clothes into the hamper and gets into her bed with her husband. It was so smooth and so natural as if she’d been doing it as a routine for 20 years. I was like wow, that’s acting! I may have not noticed it the first watch but it popped out after a while how brilliant she is.

Gaga only knows the surface level of acting which is if you ugly cry, if you emote, if you’re vulnerable, blah blah blah then it was a good performance and you’re an actor and everyone is going to praise you!

As someone said, you can see her thinking and strategy in all of her roles. It’s so transparent that you’re just watching her trying to get an Oscar.

R44 Usually the general mainstream press get the Oscar buzz wrong and focus on the most famous to stir up Oscar season. Usually Oscars don’t go to the most famous!

Right now they’re talking about Gaga and Angelina and I honestly don’t think either of them will be nominated. They’re just the most famous ones who are looking for Oscar buzz.

I didn’t see the big deal with “A Star Is Born”

Here’s a great examples of 2 divas fighting over who can be the biggest ham in the scene.

Both fight to be on 100.

Lady HaHa is not being talked about seriously for an Oscar.

She should never have been nominated for ASIB. There is nothing noteworthy about her performance. Her nomination is more about the Academy's obsession with Cooper than anything she did.

She ain't getting that Oscar this year. I see her over emoting and I raise her... A NAPPY PUSSY!

I think this will drop like a wet turd. It's now not the zeitgeist.

This sequel should have never happened.

It was a good stand alone film. The film’s ending was nice and ambiguous and still wrapped everything up.

Todd Phillips said something last week about this version of the Joker does not become the Joker we know and he’s not built to be the big villain he’s famous for, I absolutely lost interest.

This movie should have been about his rise to power and instead it seems like it’s just about him being a weak crazy person institutionalized.

I bet she came up with this pretentious title. And a musical? I can hear it now: “A musical. So avant guard. So daring. Awards. Awards. Awards.”

My god the scenes I’ve seen are cringe.

"Toni Collette walks out of the master bathroom, tosses dirty clothes into the hamper and gets into her bed with her husband."

Oddly enough, Nicole Kidman getting dressed for the party in Eyes Wide Shut was the same for me. Just very natural, easy, down to her wearing glasses and wiping herself after she peed.

The genius Mr. Kubrick deserves at least some of that credit, R62.

David Fincher explained one of the reasons why he does so many takes is because he doesn’t want actors to feel brand new in their environment.

Michelle Pfeiffer in “Batman Returns” is another good example. Selina comes home to her little shitty apartment and comes home from work and does her routine. It was so natural. She’s used to being alone. Even when she comes back home crazy, it still feels like she’s lived there for a couple of years.

Those are things someone like Lady Gaga just could not do. She doesn’t have the acting chops for that.

She only knows how to do “big” acting.

[quote]David Fincher explained one of the reasons why he does so many takes is because he doesn’t want actors to feel brand new in their environment.

Rehearsals would do that too. He just wants to be an asshole. It's the director version of 'method' acting

^ depending on the actor's schedule and the filming schedule, r65, long days of rehearsals are not always an option. And he probably thinks of doing retakes as part of the rehearsal process within the timeframe of shooting. If an actor does something brilliant in a full "dress rehearsal" you might as well get it on tape. Kubrick was infamous for doing hundreds of takes.

The Rotten Tomatoes critics and audience reviews are not BAD, more on the lower end of good... IMDB is on the upper end of bad.

I have ZERO interest in seeing this. And probably never will. I liked the first one. Not loved, but liked.

Fuck em!

And I think Joaquin is a CUNT for what he did to Todd whatshisname. So fuck him.

I hope it bombs, I suspect it will have a massive fall off in its second week.

R67 They’re not good. 61% and dropping is not good. The new rule is generally anything under 80% on RT is questionable whether it’s going to be liked by a mass audience. Anything under 70% is going to have a very limited audience who likes it.

works for me R68!

[quote]It was a good stand alone film.

It was a remake of a far superior Martin Scorsese movie called The King of Comedy. There was nothing innovative about it.

If you look at Tod Phillip's filmography, the guy has made absolute shit. There was a reason why this was different and it's because he copied from a genius.

[quote]They’re (RT scores) not good. 61% and dropping is not good

People here often say that all the RT scores are fixed and paid for by studios. If that's so, they need to open up their wallets, pronto. It currently has 44 reviews (from Venice) and there are about 500 reviews to go before it is released.

Here's the studio's problem: The film is reported to have cost $200 million dollars (with about $20 million going to Joaquin). By rule of thumb, the film may need to make $500 million TO BREAK EVEN in its theatrical release.

The previous Joker film cost between $50 and $70 million, and made over a billion dollars at the box office.

R71 They are epically stupid to spend that much on a Joaquin film. Add LG to the mix and they deserve to lose massive amounts of $. She’s barely a music star, she has no charisma, is not attractive, so why would they think adding her will add box office?

I think they’ll pay for massive hype hoping to get a huge opening weekend. Word of mouth will kill this.

Stop hating on Gaga. After all she has done for our community. Gaga is one of the greatest actresses who was a big pop star of all time.

After that Gucci disaster how many more chances is she gonna get?

R74 Fuck off. Gaga is the greatest actress among millennials.

Opening weekend box office will be big (I saw a long-range prediction of $100 million), and then a huge drop in the second weekend as bad word of mouth spreads.

Isn't there often a large divergence between the critics' score and the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes?

R77 Not for really good movies.

R73 She’s done nothing and she’s middling at best. Her music sucks, too.

R78 I’m sick of it. You guys are just Madge super fans jealous because Madge couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag. I love Madonna but let’s be real, Gaga is more inherently talented. Better singer, actress, and more versatile. Madge should be forever lauded for introducing sex into pop music the way she did but she isn’t on the same level of talent as Gaga.

Joker was morbidly fascinating but that was enough.

R79, but Madonna has better songs.

Why does everyone always throw Madonna into the mix?

This poser was a flash in the pan and needs to focus on something (NOT acting) and do something with it.

Perhaps its the commercials for migraine meds. I don't know. I'm just sick of seeing her big schnozz on every goddamn thing.

Stop forcing yourself down our throats, already.

R79 We aren’t going to be baited into your stan wars.

How many ailments has she claimed to have? Migraines, broken hip, fibromyalgia, cancer, psoriasis. She’s middling talent wise and she’s had one true hit song in over 10 years! Features don’t count because she can’t get a true hit without a feature. She’s also old. She’s about to be 40. We’re just not that into her.

[quote]She’s also old. She’s about to be 40.

That's ancient for a pop star, but she might have some good years ahead of her as a character actress. God knows she's ambitious enough. There might be a spot for her in Vegas, too.

How very dare you R83! You forgot her PTSD!

R77 Yes.

The critics score is the percentage of critics who gave it a positive review. A lot of people think 100% means every journalist gave it a 10/10 or 5 stars. It means 100% of the journalists gave it a positive review which means it can range from 3-5 stars.

The audience rating is based on the actors score rating.

R84 Who cares?

[quote]I bet she came up with this pretentious title.

Oh, come on. It fits the film perfectly.

They could have easily called it Nutjobs r88, ha!. The title is kinda pretentious. French? Come on. I don't even have to see a single press interview to imagine Gaga's duck lips forming the those words looking like Giada De Laurentis pronouncing Spaghetti.

I cannot believe she's not 40 yet! She doesn't look like a woman in her 30s. That said, she doesn't bother me half as much as she triggers some of you. She's good in some things, meh in others.

Studio paid reviews won’t save this. If they know it’s a dud, respected reviewers will not stick their necks out for money. They’ll OF COURSE praise Joaquin and OF COURSE Lady HaHa will pay to have praise heaped on her.

Really sticking with that 'Lady Haha' thing, eh?

Zero desire to see this

Lady CaCa is how I always refer to her. Thank you Dlistd. I chuckle every time I call her that, whether I get one in return or not.

It is getting horrible reviews. Even the payola reviews can’t save it, though Lady Try Hard’s payola is softening the blow for her a bit. Razzie for Worst Supporting Actress is a lock.

[quote]I can hear it now: “A musical. So avant guard."

Oh, DEAR.

My problem with Gaga is that she moves like a linebacker on stage with T-Rex arms and no grace.

Stefani "Lady Gaga" Germanotta has been nothing but a loyal and vocal ally to our community for like 15 straight years. Why the vitriol? How bored are you guys? You're picking on her looks so much but she's just a prettier Liza, she's lovely! You're all acting like a repressed gaggle of seething, hissing, housebound bullies with literally nothing better to do than hate on a woman that has been wonderful to you.

If you don't want to go see this movie, just don't go. It's a fucking FILM. She's not killing Palestinian children in Gaza. You know what actually matters right now? That Lady Gaga and her fans will be voting for Harris/Walz in November. That's more than enough for me.

R98 So weird you think a pop singer is beyond critique. Or that a straight woman is a savior for the gay community.

R99 When did I say either of those things? I didn't. Didn't use and have never used the word "savior," and I didn't say and have never called any artist "above critique." I said she's been a loyal ally, which is objectively true. And to paraphrase, I'm saying she's not hurting anyone by attempting to have an acting career. If this or any other film looks shitty to you, then don't go. There are a gazillion films to choose from at all times.

If the Harlequin album songs aren't even in the movie, then releasing an "inspiration" album of jazz standards was either marketing genius or ignorance: illiterates think the album was a soundtrack to the movie and refuse to go see a jazz musical; or, GaGa knew the movie was a flop and did a quick tie-in to make a buck and build hype for her new pop album coming in 2025.

I've always maintained that a pop/rock star's career is on the decline when they start doing standards and Christmas songs.

R37, this is exactly my problem with Gaga. She REALLY insists upon herself. She has been that way since Born this Way.

[quote] Gaga is more inherently talented. Better singer, actress, and more versatile

Nothing about Gaga's talent is "inherent". She's trained to hell to get to where she is and it shows. There's nothing "natural" about anything she does. She is proof that talent doesn't necessarily make someone a better artist. Madonna is nowhere near as good of a singer but her body of work is far superior to Gaga's. I say this as someone who LOVED Gaga when she first came on the scene. She wore out her welcome quickly.

R103 She’s fucking exhausting. That cover of her new album is cringe as fuck. She is the most pretentious bitch around and doesn’t have much to actually show for it. Her music career has been virtually dead since 2011. She has to feature a more popular artist to have a hit. She finally had a hit tour again, but everyone is having touring success right now. Touring has never been this hot. She’s old now. Her voice is very annoying and nothing special. Everything she does is for awards. Her interviews are unlistenable. She’s a shit songwriter.

R104 A better example would be Janet Jackson, who can’t sing at all, yet has a far, far superior body of work than Lady Gaga. Madonna can at least sing.

Vadge fangirls are all over this thread.

Vadge will never be nominated, let alone win an Oscar. Get over it and stop seething over Gaga.

Who fucking cares if she can sing better than this singer or that singer. There are a helluva lot better singers than her. Her fans cling to her “singing chops” like that should automatically make her popular or better than x, y, or z. That’s not how showbiz works. Taylor can’t sing for shit, but she is a far better musician, a far better entertainer, for sure a better looking, than this Lady thing.

R106 Oh yes, that’s it. Sure. DL hates Madonna you stupid cunt. Sorry, Madonna didn’t make her new movie a stink fest. No lies are being told. Her fans are the biggest, most fragile beings on Earth. You cannot criticize her at all or they have an existential crisis. See R98.

R106 Call us when she doesn’t have to have 9 songwriters, and she’s listed last, to get an Oscar. Her Oscar was Mark Ronson’s and EVERYONE knows it.

[quote] Madonna can at least sing.

Said no one ever.

R109 Bitch GIVE IT UP. Read the hundreds of reviews of her work. Every critic says she can sing. Seriously, that talking point is laughable and no one believes it.

This was a bad role choice for Gaga, although I can see how it would look good on paper. People are sick of retreads, sequels, crossovers, comic book shit, nepo babies, tired stories and everything else this movie encapsulates. Add to that, she has to compete with Robbie's HQ performance which is the pinnacle. Gaga is not a HQ and doesn't have the chops to pull it off. She is a Gretchen Weiner in real life and in every role she plays. That s just her energy.

[quote]r33 She doesn’t quite yet have the chops for the roles she is given. You see her trying to make every scene important - you see the work.

Click click click!

R111 Perfect description. Gretchen Weiner! Nailed it.

I know I'm supposed to love Lady Gaga, being gay and all, but I could just never get into her. I can't really explain why but I've always just been "meh" about her.

Who is Gretchen Weiner?

R114 Judging by her struggles in her career, you are not alone. She doesn’t have it. She’s ugly and you can see her acting from Pluto.

I heard some young people talking about how much they loved joker but they heard this was crappy and weren’t sure if they’d see it. It seems like everyone thinks it sucks

Let's just say she's no Glen Coco, R115.

I don’t think she’s ugly, but she doesn’t seem to do things that enhance her features. She tends to make them look more severe. I do admire chutzpah.

R119 OMG, are you seriously saying she doesn’t do everything in her power to seem pretty? Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa

She’s ugly and has negative sex appeal.

Hun, when you state that GaGa has been a loyal and vocal ally to our community for like 15 straight years, then ask why the vitriol, you ARE stating that she should be above criticism. Don't act like you don't know exactly what you meant. Own your obsession!

The Gaga criticism might be easier to take if it wasn't coming from a bunch of Madonna and Janet "Is Kamala black?" Jackson fans. Or in the case of Boomers, Barbra Streisand 🙄. Talk about ugly!

R122 Easier to take? Did you seriously say “Easier to take” like she’s she comfort animal!

Are the Madonna and Janet fans in the room with you? Are they asking you to hurt yourself?

GODDAMN her fans are mental freaks. Just fucking mental freaks like her.

I'm a huge Gaga fan who also has little to no interest in seeing this film. However, this song off her new album is exquisite!

R123 calm down pops.

Speaking of schnozz R82, how is Babs these days?

Hilarious how the CaCa freaks act like bringing up Madonna, Janet and now Babs(!!!) somehow mitigates Stefani's many flaws. Get real, gurls.

R123 consider a sedative, arsehole

R123 is the loony Vadgefan who screams “payola” ad nauseam whenever another pop star achieves something before Madonna.

Bitch is a psycho.

R125 Cupcake, she’s old now and her fans are not young. In fact, because of Tony, she has older fans, gramps.

R128 is the Vadge fan in the room with you? Are they telling you to hurt yourself?

Gaga is too ugly for film, too ugly for television. Stick to music butter face.

Madonna, Janet Jackson, Babs, Tony, old people, gay people didn’t make this movie suck. They didn’t force her to release an embarrassing companion album. This will seriously hurt her “movie career”. Big opening then word of mouth will be brutal and ppl are going to be pissed the fuck off about how bad it is. She’s going to be made fun of and hated by young boys who will compare her to Robbie’s HQ.

Straight bros are the primary audience for these films. Why the fuck did they think Lady Gaga singing old Judy Garland songs would appeal to that demographic?

R131, nah.

This isn't really a Gaga film. It's a Phoenix and, especially, a Todd Phillips film.

Gaga will be fine as a bankable A list actress for another two or three years. If she has no hits by then? Then she'll be over as an A list actress. Her next role is very important.

R104 The difference between Madonna and Gaga is Madonna had a great instinct for collaborating with people more talented than her.

Gaga thinks she’s the talent.

When she stopped working with her original crew Red One, Fernando Garibay (producers and writers) and Heidi Slimane and Nick Knight (photographers / artists), she fell apart.

Only recently has Madonna lost sight of talent. Her college friend Stephen Bray and Patrick Leonard were her creative rocks in the 80s and then in the 90s there was Shep Pettibone, William Orbit, and Mirwais. Then she made magic with Stuart Price in the 2000s. Once she started working with mainstream record label producers and it people she had discovered or was interested in, she started to decline.

R131 What movie career though?

She’s been in 5 movies in 10 years, 3 lead roles and only 1 of them was a standout hit. “House of Gucci” did okay. I don’t think it has been big on streaming services but it probably broke even with the studio.

She’s not the next Cher.

R132 Hollywood hates straight bros.

Straight bros liked “Joker” so it’s like with everything made for them, it had to be taken away.

And from what I’ve heard, there is a big twist in the end that’s a major spoiler that’s going to piss everyone off.

When I heard it, I thought it was stupid but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me from the Todd Phillips universe perspective.

Watching the cam version as I type. 🤡🍿

For those of you who want to know the entire plot, including the twist at the end, but don't want to watch the movie the entire plot synopsis is up on the film's Wiki page.

Omg, Harry Lawtey (Rob on Industry) is playing Harvey Dent in this! He's moving up in the biz.

R133 yah

She is not a bankable star. What fucking delusional planet are you on? No one and I mean no one goes to see a film because of her. I dare her to try to open a movie based on her name alone. She is not a great actress, she has had one hit movie because of Bradley Cooper, HOG was a flop and her performance was laughable.

R135 According to them, Madonna was just as talented, just not as trained. Madonna surrounded herself with people she could learn from, but they are all on record saying she is the primary lyricist and she can craft and produce fantastic melodies, bridge, and songs in general. Stop trying to diminish Madonna.

Finished the movie just now, I liked it a lot. Haven't seen the first one so I can't compare, but it can definitely stand on its own. However, I was surprised by how "light" it was, it honestly felt like one long TV episode. Not much meat on it, basically just a courtroom drama.

Can't stand Phoenix since his Haynes drama, but my god he is something else in this. Every single blink is calculated, couldn't keep my eyes off him even during long stretches of silence. No other male actor this year comes even close to what he does here.

As for Gaga, I don't understand the supporting talk, she's barely in it? She's just okay, nothing special. The juxtaposition of her blank face with Joaquin's facial movements in overdrive at all times just drives home the point that she's not much of an actress. She's serviceable, nothing more.

BEST ACTRESS OSCAR to Gaga. She is THAT good. River could not keep up, sadly.

[quote] When she stopped working with her original crew Red One, Fernando Garibay (producers and writers) and Heidi Slimane and Nick Knight (photographers / artists), she fell apart.

I have posted this a lot on reddit and I'm downvoted heavily every single time. It's not a coincidence that her work went downhill after these people stopped working with her.

She was a basic bitch until she met the right gays. Just listen to her music pre-“The Fame”. She resembles today closer to who she was before she got a creative team to put together “The Fame”, “Monster”, and “Born This Way”. And she didn’t do very well back then that’s why she had to change her image.

She parted ways with her team and did “Artpop” with a new team on her own and it was a disaster.

A lot of these straight women are basic bitches and are given life by others, especially gays. Britney and Katy and Rihanna are other examples.

And that’s why Taylor Swift has never dropped the ball. She’s a shameless basic white chick who has never needed edge or gays or Swedish or black producers to make her cool.

Down to 48% on Rotten Tomatoes.

She sucks in this movie. Her reviews are payola.

Didn't she kill some lady she stole her imahe from?

I worked on this, on the big BG days in the courtroom in L.A., and everyone seemed to like her. I will say that Joaquin does have that magnetism where you can't take your eyes off of him, especially in the dancing numbers. Gaga had buccal fat removal and lips pumped up, which made me feel like she was too contemporary looking for the time the film was set

I didn't have access to the script, and I didn't know that there was a twist, but I'm guessing it's similar to the twist in the first movie.

I like some of Gaga’s music but I’ve never been interested in any of the movies she’s been in. I liked her in AHS Hotel but she kind of played herself

R146, she really was. She was not too different from Sara Bareilles.

This is going to enrage fans of the first film. This will tank hard in week 2.

Razzies on the way!

As I only "liked" Joker and have zero plans to watch this. (I am a firm Lady Gaga fan. Not a superfan, but I like her as an artist and find her to be a good actress-)

I decided to watch a full spoiler review on Youtube.

Holy FUCK-- I do not know what they were thinking...

These are not spoilers, but warnings--

if you like Gaga- she is only in to 10-15 minutes of the entire film. The trailer and everything else is completely misleading.

This sounds absolutely TERRIBLE.. And by the 2nd week- this one will fade into oblivion.

One last comment- not a spoiler- The film is only "set" in 2 or 3 settings- It sounds utterly boring and claustrophobic.

And the ending is going to be devisive, if not hated.

It really sounds like this sequel was written by someone who hated everything about the first one.

Floored by how bad this sounds.

divisive ^^ Oh DEER!!!!

And this dipshit above "Best Actress for Gaga? Not for 15 minutes of screen time!

She may have gotten into Supporting if the film was not going to bomb so badly-

She is not a good enough actress to ever be nominated for an Oscar. The perennial best actress nominees destroy this bitch. She isn't anywhere near the league of any actress who deserves an Oscar nom.

I'm starting to think A Star is Born was her Desperately Seeking Susan moment.

WHY the fuck is the second Joker film a musical with Lady Gaga? Talk about being tone deaf to the core audience for this kind of film

Musicals are great and showtunes and standards are great but FFS it's not gay men who are the target audience here. It's straight bros who want violence and action, not a musical/cartoon/courtroom drama.

Down to 39% on Rotten Tomatoes. Jesus.

Gaga's headache commercials give me a headache. I know it's wrong, but I hope she has one, too.

Omfg what were they thinking. Her scenes are cringe. You can tell she is thinking this is going to be epic. Her acting is a chore.

I watched the first Joker with morbid curiosity, I won't be going back for a second serving.

I don't understand why in almost every thread or mention of a female singer such as Lady Gaga, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Celine Dion, Katy Perry, Beyoncé, Britney Spears and the list goes on and on - Madonna is brought up as some kind of comparison or benchmark to the female singer being discussed.

Why does this happen? Why is Madonna always interjected randomly into a discussion which has nothing to do with Madonna?

R163 DL loves to drag her.

And she’s the best selling female singer ever. Her legacy is unmatched. Her popularity worldwide is unmatched though Taylor is closing in.

You must be new here, R163. We have a lunatic Vadge fanboy who's been polluting this site for decades by trashing any major pop star who rivaled Madonna.

Thanks for the explanation R164. Totally agree and I forgot to mention Taylor Swift. Madonna is in a different league and at a different level than the other female singers who she's often brought up in threads discussing those female singers. Madonna is in the same league as The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Elvis Presley etc. The megastar iconic musical acts of the past 60 years. She isn't really comparable to these other female musical acts. It's just very strange how Madonna is always mentioned in threads which have nothing to do with her and to which she has no relevance. But inevitably she's brought up.

I'm not new here R165. I've been a paid member since 2004. Obviously I've seen the threads dragging Madonna. I was just surprised that when discussing Gaga in this film - suddenly, Madonna is interjected into the thread out of nowhere at R13 onwards. R13 doesn't look like a Vadge fanboy. R165 - you seem to have posted about Madonna a lot in this thread judging by the specific terms and language you repeatedly use. Are you R13 et al? If so - it seems that you interjected Madonna into this thread.

This is going to sound crazy: I like Gaga AND Madonna!

I know, I know. But I do.

R166 You nailed it. The haters interject her in every discussion of other female artists.

R167 There’s nothing wrong with that.

Madonna has always been in on the joke and Gaga thinks herself a thespian.

R169, Madonna has always wanted an Oscar. But I agree that Gaga has a REALLY inflated ego about her acting since she is a theatre kid all the way through.

Madonna should have, at least, an Oscar nomination for her soundtrack contributions.

Madonna was GREAT in Evita and deserved a nomination.

Madonna was much better in Dangerous Game versus Evita. Maybe she should have been nominated for Best Actress for Truth or Dare too (only half-joking).

R171, I agree. I would argue the songwriting is secondary to the singing. Nobody would care about "Sooner or Later" or "You Must Love Me" if a more boring singer had sung them.

[quote]Add to that, she has to compete with Robbie's HQ performance which is the pinnacle.

Pinnacle was Arleen Sorkin.

I read all the spoilers, and I'm amazed the film went in the direction it did. No wonder the audience scores are so low.

Where are the spoilers

I remember people on DL posting about how they were certain Gaga would win a Best Actress Oscar in a short amount of time.

Oh dear. On Rotten Tomatoes the film has now dropped down to 33% based on 230 critic reviews. There are now also audience review numbers displayed and the rating is 36% from more than 1000+ audience reviews.

It's a verified stinker...

Fandango posted this short musical excerpt from Joker 2:

They can't be serious R180! It looks like a SNL skit.

The clip at r180 makes me want to see it but my favourite movie is Showgirls. That looks campy as fuck

This film looks a real shitcunt!

This will barely do 80 million in the USA once this film drops off the face of the planet next week-

I suspect a 75% drop

A D CinemaScore is generally rare and reflects a strongly negative audience reaction. Here are some major films that received a D CinemaScore over the years:

1. “Mother!” (2017) – Directed by Darren Aronofsky, this psychological horror film left many viewers confused and frustrated by its abstract and intense narrative.

2. “The Witch” (2015) – A slow-burn horror movie that divided audiences. Though critically acclaimed, its pacing and atmosphere didn’t appeal to a wide audience.

3. “Killing Them Softly” (2012) – A crime drama starring Brad Pitt, this film was criticized by audiences for its political undertones and pacing.

4. “Solaris” (2002) – Steven Soderbergh’s sci-fi drama, a remake of the 1972 film, was seen as too slow and philosophical for mainstream audiences.

5. “The Box” (2009) – A psychological thriller that perplexed many viewers with its complicated plot and moral dilemmas.

6. “Bug” (2007) – A psychological horror film directed by William Friedkin, known for its claustrophobic and unsettling tone that left viewers polarized.

7. “The Counselor” (2013) – Ridley Scott’s crime thriller received mixed reviews from critics, and audiences were left frustrated by its bleak tone and complex dialogue.

These films often challenge conventional storytelling or have difficult subject matter, which may account for the lower scores from a general audience.

Even worse! Audience score has dropped down to 32%.

Lady Fuckface right about now...

"I create and create 'til I'm half dead, and I hear people saying, "She's getting old.""

"Hollywood ARTistry! Parted friends... everyone already knows! Box office poison! Box office poison! Art! You're... arh-TEEST... you're... arh-TEEST... box office poison!"

Gaga’s scenes being cut was actually an act of mercy

This is Phoenix’s debacle

R186, now at 31%!

I am getting Exorcist II: The Heretic vibes from all of this

R190 I LOVE Exorcist 2- I have no idea why.

THIS film, is unnwatchable and boring it sounds like..

R188 No, her name is plastered all over this. She owns this flop,too.

R191, I wouldn't be suprised if Linda Blair's tap dancing spasms were more exciting than anything in Joker.

RT critics score = 33% and audience score = 30%.

It's a verified bomb.

She could never carry a move, or song, on her own.

The audience score is just 2% above Swept Away and it is dropping!

OMG at R180's clip. Gaga just lost any credibility she had. Casear Romero as The Joker challenging Adam West's Batman to a serfing contest seems more literate.

It won't be long until it's less than Swept Away R196!

It seems bad for Joaquin, Gaga, and Todd, but here's the good: Joaquin got paid $20 million for this film and Gaga got $12 million. Todd the director also got a big payday of an unspecified amount.

200!

[quote] Todd the director also got a big payday of an unspecified amount.

Good for him! He'll need to make it last, because no studio will ever throw big bucks at him again.

One revered director that loved the Joker 2 movie was Francis Ford Coppola ("Megalopolis"). From Coppola's Instagram:

[quote] Todd Phillips films always amaze me and I enjoy them thoroughly. Ever since the wonderful “The Hangover” he’s always one step ahead of the audience never doing what they expect. Congratulations to Joker: Folie à Deux!

"Never doing what they expect" = refusing to entertain the paid customers.

They should have to give it all back R199.

[quote]he’s always one step ahead of the audience

A sure-fire recipe for success!

Yeah, Coppola makes it sound as if director and audience are combatants. That explains a lot, actually.

R205, it certainly explains Megalopolis (based on the reviews).

This was atrocious. Joaquin wasn't bad, but she was terrible. She's not natural on camera. Mass walkouts.

She's going to win a lot of awards-

Razzies by the bucketload.

Oh dear...

R208, the only question is if she'll give the "there can be one-hundred people in a room" speech when she accepts the award?

What the hell were they thinking? I knew this would be bad, but not this bad.

I forgot to add- they thought this was going to open over $100 million in the US alone???????

Did no one see this before they projected that? Did they not think word of mouth would be what it is?

Biggest flop of the year by far.

Meanwhile, Gaga’s tie-in album Harlequin debuted at #20 on the Billboard 200 with a measly 25,000 units sold.

R213, Gaga NEEDS other artists to get her songs to chart high, post ASIB. The only reason Rain on Me went to number is because of Ariana. It's a disposable song that's pretty much already forgotten. And that recent Bruno Mars duet only went as far as it has due to Bruno. Gaga seems like she doesn't know who she wants to be. She still wants to be wild and wacky Gaga from 2009-2011 but she also wants to be the one who sang with Tony Bennett. If she was truly the creative talent everyone says she is, she would have found a way to successfully merge those two things together.

Info on what director Todd Phillips actually got paid for Joker 2, from Business Insider:

[quote]Star Joaquin Phoenix and director Todd Phillips are each making $20 million for the movie, according to Variety.

She outdid Madonna! This is a bigger turkey than any of Madonna’s turkey’s combined. I’d rather watch Swept Away 99 times to one time for Joker 2.

[quote] If you don't want to go see this movie, just don't go. It's a fucking FILM. She's not killing Palestinian children in Gaza. You know what actually matters right now?

It's that little baby you're holding, and it's that man you fought with this morning. The same one you are gonna make love to tonight.

That's truth. That's love.

Is it true what they're saying that Gaga is only it for 10-15 minutes?

R218 And? That’s a decent amount for supporting. Oscar’s have been won with less than a minute screen time.

Her name is all over this movie. If it had been a success, would her fans be saying she was *only* in it or 20 minutes?

She owns this turd, too.

Are the musical numbers supposed to be psychotic fever dreams?

[quote] Oscar’s have been won

Oh dear, dummy R219.

No, she doesn't own this turd. There are overriding factors in this debacle that don't have anything to do with her.

R219, did she write or direct this? No?

She's still going to be blamed for this.

This has been two huge turds in a row for Gaga.

No, she's not going to be "blamed.". She's a for-hire on this. Sorry to disappoint you, Gaga hater at R223, but she had nothing to do with the creative decisions on this. What do you think--she'll lose her fan base over this? Please.

[quote] What do you think--she'll lose her fan base over this? Please.

Of course not, Gaga worshipper.

But this is the end of her movie career.

Like Madonna's, and Mariah Carey's, and Christina Aguilera's before her.

[quote] But this is the end of her movie career.

Oh, Mary R225, I think she'll be just fine. She'll make plenty more movies after this.

And no, I'm not a Gaga worshiper. I think she's an okay actress and will continue to work as one. If you think this silly movie for which she's merely a co-star will do her in, then you know nothing, dear.

Todd Haynes might be interested in this article from the Hollywood Reporter.

Question: What part did Joaquin play in the creation of Joker 2?

Answer: It was based on a dream he had. Plus he had always wanted to do Broadway.

Details:

[quote] Neither Phillips nor Phoenix was even sure about making a sequel and, for a time, contemplated putting on a Broadway show instead, before ultimately committing to the movie and bringing aboard Gaga in a role inspired by the comic book character Harley Quinn.

[quote] The idea for the sequel came to Phoenix in a dream, and he and Phillips brought the idea to Emmerich, according to sources.

[quote] In the end, some are saying that Joker: Folie à Deux is a very expensive art film. But when asked who the intended audience was, one outside source sums it up this way: “For Joaquin.”

[quote]In the end, some are saying that Joker: Folie à Deux is a very expensive art film.

Some = Lady Fuckface

Cause she is such a fucking arh-TEEST!

Too bad Pauline Kael has passed. She'd love this film just out of contrarian spite.

Uh oh...

"Joker: Folie a Deux now has the lowest CinemaScore in the history of the rating system for a comic book movie, a D. That has never happened before. Every awful comic book you can think of in the last 30 years? It’s lower".

A good recap

Found footage of the bitch-fight between the Gaga and Madge super-fans!

R232 Oh no you don’t. This has everything to do with her having a massive turd of a flop and nothing else. You think only Madonna fans are going to rake Lady HaHa over the coals?

The photo of her as HQ on the album over in the shower is everything wrong with her.

Mary, R233, she'll flush this turd and move on. Pity you can't, Vadge Stan.

Not sure why this one poster wants this a Gaga vs Madonna fight.

Gaga just said Madonna and Britney are her role models.

The real fight is between the little monsters and Katy fans.

The real fight this week is between Lady Gaga and moviegoers.

Not at all, R236. They just won't go to see this movie. That's all.

R237, which means moviegoers win and Gaga loses.

Husband went - he loves musicals. His review was - 1& a half stars.

She got paid, R238. And she'll move on to other movie projects. So ultimately she wins.

Gaga will move on, but it won't be in film unless she self finances and finds some wealthy backer. No studio is going to want to bet on her again anytime soon especially when the industry is already struggling. She'll either move on Broadway or TV.

Worse than Morbius?! How is that possible?

Oh BULLSHIT, R242. If Joaquin Phoenix can move on (this was HIS project, btw--he "dreamed" it and they financed it), then she can. This is all on him and the producers who put out $200 million.

It's not about Madonna. It's about this turd movie.

Nor is it about Lady Gaga but this turd movie, from which she has already moved on.

How has Gaga "already moved on" when she is promoting that stupid Harlequin song that didn't even chart high?

Why shouldn't see promote her song, R246? And why are you so invested in hating this woman?

R247, get a grip. I don't "hate" her. I hate that she insists upon herself more than any other celebrity I can remember. Beyonce and Taylor are hyped to death by their fans but Gaga is her own worst promoter. Also, if you move on from a project, that means you abandon everything associated with it. Like what she did with Artpop when it completely tanked.

Gaga is not interesting enough to evoke hate. She hasn't been since her meat dress days. She's just another middle aged artist hustling for her next act.

[quote] If Joaquin Phoenix can move on (this was HIS project, btw--he "dreamed" it and they financed it), then she can.

The big difference here is that Joaquin has a history of good roles. Gaga does not. So it is easier for Joaquin to bounce back because it's seen as a "one-off" for him.

Is it as good as Showgirls?

Joaquin Phoenix has been in some weird movies so I’d expect something like this from him but the fact that it’s been marketed as a comic book movie for incels is very strange

[quote] Gaga is not interesting enough to evoke hate.

Then why are you endlessly banging on here about her, R248/R249? I'd say YOU need to get a grip.

R250, Gaga has only been in 3 movies. One of them she was nominated for an Oscar for her acting and won for her song, and the movie made money. The sewcond did okay financially. It's far too early to write her off.

[quote] Then why are you endlessly banging on here about her

Probably because this is a thread for the movie Joker which she was heavily promoted as being in?

If you dislike someone as intensely as you seem to, R254, you ignore the person you dislike. You don't wallow in your hatred like a weirdo. At least I don't.

R250, Phoenix has been in movies for close to 40 years. You're going to compare his movie career with hers, hers of which started 6 years ago?

I liked it. Thought strong choices were made. The performances were good. Not for everyone tho. Some people need a more literal, less demanding film. Don’t go if you’re a Hallmark Queen.

We are allowed to dislike her.

Her fans like you were in our faces saying she'd get a Best Actress Oscar, that it'd be a blockbuster. We are allowed to savor this. And we are.

It's so weird seeing her hypersensitive stans on here. This is DL--if we want to mock and laugh at someone, we will.

And yet, R258, when I claimed that I found Madonna's eulogy to her brother a bit self-indulgent, I was told to go fuck myself. Sometimes one gets lauded for pointless bitchery, and sometimes the townsfolk come for you with their pitchforks and their torches.

R259, it's the nature of this forum. And probably all online things, to be honest. I am a Madonna fan but I'm fine if people think her eulogy is self-indulgent. She does display that tendency quite a bit.

[quote] And yet, [R258], when I claimed that I found Madonna's eulogy to her brother a bit self-indulgent, I was told to go fuck myself. Sometimes one gets lauded for pointless bitchery, and sometimes the townsfolk come for you with their pitchforks and their torches.

Poor sweet darling baby!

R259 There's a difference. Madonna gets skewered regularly on here. Her fans are used to it. The other gets treated with kid gloves. Her fans are very fragile and can't take one scintilla of criticism or they go into hysterics. It's tiresome.

Maybe, just maybe you all shouldn't count your chickens before they turn into Razzies.

I think Madonna is insufferable. I don't think she gives a fuck Christopher is dead. That being said, Lady Fuckface fans saying she's more talented than Madonna is laughable. Madonna is in another universe for songwriting, composing melodies, performing, It factor, charisma, dancing, entertaining, beauty. Vocally, I strongly prefer Madonna's voice. Her enormous catalog of great songs is something the other is incapable of. It has been 16 years yet we have 3 memorable songs!

Oh, and the other is more insufferable. I can't sit through one of her pretentious interviews.

She shit the bed, walls, ceiling, inside the cupboards with this disaster of a movie. You all bring Madonna up. Madonna isn't going to distract from this Titanic mess.

I knew Lady Gaga was a fraud when she did the Tony Bennet album. No one goes from avant garde punk electropop to Old Hollywood glamour and jazz standards that seamlessly unless they were faking the spirit of the former. Imagine Andy Worhol being able to codeswitch like that. Or Debby Harry. You can't. When you are a true artistic weirdo it bleeds through into everything you do. Gaga did that awful Joanne album and started singing about The Shallows and yeah, sorry, I can't unsee what I've seen. She's normcore cosplaying as some deep artistic mastermind.

GAGA is deep.

As in shit.

I don’t think Gaga will suffer from this bomb. She seems to be the least involved in the disaster. Warner Bros and Todd Phillips are to blame.

I don’t think Todd Phillips will work again aside from what he might be tied to right now.

R263 She can be insufferable, but she is devastated about her bro dying.

As far as Joker 2, maybe this film being one of the biggest failures of all time will humble her? 🤣

R266 Oh sweetie. SWEETIE. Whatever you need to tell yourself to make the pain go away……..

Todd Phillips is such an idiot. He clearly didn’t give a fuck and was resentful of making a sequel and Warner Bros gave him creative control and he basically said fuck you and fuck the fans.

I cannot see any movie studio being dumb enough to want to work with him anytime soon.

Go directly to jail do not pass go.

[quote] but she is devastated about her bro dying.

How do you know this, Mary R267? Have you spoken to Vadge in the last clouple days? 🤣

Gaga IS the least involved in thisa movie. It's clearly the director, writer, and star who's the title character. All the idiots here who think this is somehow the end for her are going to be sorely disappointed when her next movie comes out. And I can't wait, Nancys!

R257, she already has an Oscar. Sorry, Vadge Stan! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It must really chaps the asses of the Vadge Stans here that Gaga already has her Oscar--and Vadge will NEVER have one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jfc trolldar the Ladyfuckface “im not a fan” having a meltdown over this turd of a movie. Like I said mentally unstable of all the fan bases. They can’t take any criticism of her.

Her Oscar is Mark Ronson’s and everyone knows it.

You are obsessed with bringing up Madonna as if only Madonna fans would rejoice at this dookie chute of a movie flopping. If this movie was a hit, you would be screaming from the rooftops that your favorite diva was a movie STAHHHHHHHHH. Don’t get it twisted sweetie.

R270, not really. If Gaga won an Oscar for acting, that's a different conversation.

R272 Right! If Madonna was so thirsty for an Oscar she would have kept writing soundtrack songs, had Taylor or Ariana record it, and she’d have easily won one by now. Also, she could have challenged the ruling when Masterpiece was ruled ineligible bc it was going to win that year.

Blind item!

Jeez, R274. I understand schadenfreude and all that, but those bitches in the comments at R274 need hobbies. It ain't that deep.

But she didn't do that, R273! Vadge failed to achieve that. But Gaga easily did.

The blind item at R274 was obviously written by a DL Vadge Stan! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

R273/74 is in full, nosedive meltdown. Sugar tits, Madonna not having an Oscar is not going to dry your tears from Lady HaHa having the biggest flop in decades.

So tired of hearing about this clusterfuck

And yet, R278, this doesn't hold a candle to the flops Vadge has endured--"Body Of Evidence," Shanghai Surprise," "Body of Evidence." THREE HUGE BOMBS that did Vadge in. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

R274 Months ago- she going to win multiple Oscars- Actress, Song, biggest hit of the year, all the boys will want to fuck her. Haha suck it haters.

Today- who, she's barely in the movie. She's moved on. No one even knows she's in this. Nothingburger. Also, *in Robin Williams voice* "Madonna Madonna Madonna".

Vadge's "career" in movies crashed and burned and she's been out of that game for decades because she was so terrible.

R282 Ok and? It won’t dry your tears over this turd.

It's a shitty sequel. Next.

R284 She’s a gay icon who did a lot for the community. Have some fucking respect. At least don’t agree with Vadgestan!

Is this thread about Madonna or about Joker: Folie à Deux?

Joker? Never heard of it must be flushable

R285 The movie is shitty - next.

[quote] It won’t dry your tears over this turd.

What tears, Mary R283?

I never could have imagined just how badly this turned out. This is a complete embarrassment for all involved. Humiliating. This will cost a lot of jobs. It has already made movie goers angry. You never want your name associated with one of the biggest flops of all time.

The first movie made 50x its posted budget - this one will be very lucky to break even.

Jesus, Mary R290--you're so hyperbolic. Bombs happen all the time.

It is being reported that Madonna talked her into the role. It is on her fan sites. Well now we know!

Did Madonna also try to assassinate Trump R293? Twice?

Madonna forced John Hinckley to become obsessed with Jodie Foster. Trust me, I was there!

R294 Probably. You laugh but she’s been assassinating Gaga since 2011.

But the only thing Vadge killed was her career.

[quote]But the only thing Vadge killed was her career.

She sure did R297. She's the #1 selling female music artist of all time - even to this day - and has been for 40 years. Not even Taylor Swift can overtake her. Her final Celebration Tour concert performance drew a crowd of 1.6 million concert attendees in Brazil - Madonna set a record for the most attendees at any music concert in history. She's worth a billion dollars and almost every famous female singer of today - including Lady Gaga - have all said they owe their careers to the doors Madonna opened for future female singers during the decades of her career. And Madonna wasn't even a nepo baby. She had to work hard to get where she is - she got no help from anyone. She had to earn it.

Yes, like you say R297 - Madonna's career is totally dead.

When was Vadge's last movie, R298?

Vadge is a terrible actress R299. She knows she can't act and thankfully, she doesn't humiliate herself anymore. That's when her last movie was.

But like you say - Vadge sure has completely killed her career R299. It's totally dead. No-one would even come up to her on the street now because she killed her career and nobody has ever heard of her...

They cut a lot of her scenes which tells you how terrible she is in this. Cooper did the same with their movie. He cut and spliced the hell out of it to get a performance that worked. She never deserved that Oscar nod. Of course, even J-Lo is talked about as Oscar worthy these days so they’re not about quality.

Her day is done, r300. She dominated music for many years, but not anymore. She's not Taylor Swift or Beyonce, of course. Those days are over for her. That's why Vadge is so desperate to stay young. It's all she's ever had.

If you want to talk accomplishments, Gaga has an Oscar, an Oscar nomination as Best Actress, has sold 170 million records, and has over $300 million. And she's also 38. No one would say that's not impressive unless they're insane. Of course, Vadge has achieved a lot--more thsan any other singer, especially one of such marginal ability. She's had a lot more years under her, too, than Gaga.

Her movie is a laughingstock, her lack of acting talent and charisma on full display, she can’t make a hit solo song because she can’t write good songs (RedOne was the talent), and she has to feature to get any hits. She’s old now, ugly as sin, now saddled with a turd movie that will have lasting impacts on her career. She tried.

[quote] has sold 170 million records

Uh, no. That's complete BS. Gaga has not even gotten to 100 million yet. She's nowhere near as big as you think she is.

Who gives a fuck about Gaga or Madonna?

Uh, yes, R304. She has. Here ya go.

With estimated sales of 170 million records as of 2018,[500] Gaga is one of the world's bestselling music artists, and has produced some of the bestselling singles of all time.[501] As of 2022, she has grossed more than $689.5 million in revenue from concert tours and residencies with attendance of 6.3 million, being the fifth woman to pass the half-billion total as reported to Billboard Boxscore,[237][502] receiving the Pollstar Award for Pop Touring Artist of the Decade (2010s).[503] She is also among the top digital singles artists in the US, with 87.5 million equivalent units certified according to Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA),[d] was the first woman to receive the Digital Diamond Award certification from RIAA, one of the few artists with at least three Diamond certified songs ("Bad Romance", "Poker Face" and "Just Dance"),[505][506] and the first and only artist to have two songs pass seven million downloads ("Poker Face" and "Just Dance").[507] By 2020, six of her singles appeared on the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry's annual Top 10 Global Singles chart ("Just Dance", "Poker Face", "Bad Romance", "Telephone", "Born This Way" and "Shallow"), setting the record for the most entries by any female artist.[508] In 2020, Gaga also became the first female artist to have four singles ("Just Dance", "Poker Face", "Bad Romance" and "Shallow") each sell at least 10 million copies globally.[508]

According to Guinness World Records, she was the most followed person on Twitter from 2011 to 2013,[95][509] the most famous celebrity in 2013,[510] and the most powerful popstar in 2014.[511] She was included on Forbes' Celebrity 100 from 2010 to 2015 and then from 2018 to 2020, having topped the list in 2011. She earned $62 million, $90 million, $52 million, $80 million, $33 million, and $59 million from 2010 through 2015, and $50 million, $39 million and $38 million between 2018 and 2020.[512][513] Gaga also appeared on their list of the World's Most Powerful Women from 2010 to 2014.[514][515] She was named one of the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine in 2010 and 2019,[516][517] and ranked second in its most influential people of the past ten years readers' poll in 2013.[518]

With estimated sales of 170 million records as of 2018,[500] Gaga is one of the world's bestselling music artists, and has produced some of the bestselling singles of all time.[501] As of 2022, she has grossed more than $689.5 million in revenue from concert tours and residencies with attendance of 6.3 million, being the fifth woman to pass the half-billion total as reported to Billboard Boxscore,[237][502] receiving the Pollstar Award for Pop Touring Artist of the Decade (2010s).[503] She is also among the top digital singles artists in the US, with 87.5 million equivalent units certified according to Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA),[d] was the first woman to receive the Digital Diamond Award certification from RIAA, one of the few artists with at least three Diamond certified songs ("Bad Romance", "Poker Face" and "Just Dance"),[505][506] and the first and only artist to have two songs pass seven million downloads ("Poker Face" and "Just Dance").[507] By 2020, six of her singles appeared on the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry's annual Top 10 Global Singles chart ("Just Dance", "Poker Face", "Bad Romance", "Telephone", "Born This Way" and "Shallow"), setting the record for the most entries by any female artist.[508] In 2020, Gaga also became the first female artist to have four singles ("Just Dance", "Poker Face", "Bad Romance" and "Shallow") each sell at least 10 million copies globally.[508]

Oh, Mary R303. You wish.

You honestly seem a bit unhinged, bitter and far too invested in someone who doesn't care if you live or die R306.

I just wanted to make sure you know there are several posters interacting with you. I'm poster R298 and R300. None of the others. I actually quite like Gaga. But this Madonna versus Gaga stuff is boring as fuck. Madonna is a megastar and a music icon. Madonna is Beatles, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Rolling Stones level. Gaga is not comparable to Madonna in any way. Gaga has specifically said she has a career because of all the doors Madonna opened for female entertainers like her and that she is heavily influenced by Madonna.

It's ok that both Madonna and Gaga can coexist without there being some kind of war about them. Gaga is great and very talented in same areas but she will never be of Madonna's megastar icon level.

R306 Too long, didn't give a fuck.

R306 Holy shiiiiiit. You are having an existential crisis because of a mediocre middling pop tart who hasn’t had a significant solo music career in a decade who has just had a massive, once in a career flop which may possibly end her mediocre middling movie career. You need to seek professional help because nothing you say is changing any of this.

Her collobarators are distancing themselves from her. Also, it is being reported she is having meltdowns herself while being high.

Old Hollywood fell in love with Gaga after she sang The Sound of Music at the Oscars, the year before ASIB. They saw her respect for the past, Julie Andrews and that she has the glamour of a star from the Golden Age. Sone felt it was calculated, but she was a smash. Madonna could not charm Hollywood, despite her Warren Beatty phase.

R306, no sweetie, she hasn't sold 170 million records. Are you nuts? Those wiki articles make a false equivalence between digital singles sales and album sales. I'm sure Gaga sold 100 million digital singles but that's not the same as 100 million albums. How would Gaga sell 170 million records when she was only popular for like 3 years?

R312 oh cupcake, stop while you're way behind. And put down the booger sugar.

Until RIAA adds physical single sales that occurred prior to streaming sales then most of current sales for artists are junk.

Imagine how many more album sales would MJ, Madonna, the Beatles, Celine, Shania, and dozens and dozens of others have if their physical single sales were added to their album sales?

Mariah Carey had her Christmas album go diamond solely due to the streaming of ONE song being added to the ALBUM sales. The actual album alone sold 2 or 3 million.

It's ridiculous they allow streaming to count as sales individually and with the album when they never did that before. Streaming sales are a joke, so any artist who has huge streaming sales and are approaching the sales of true titans where ppl shelled out hard cash is suspect.

[quote] Her collobarators are distancing themselves from her. Also, it is being reported she is having meltdowns herself while being high.

Oh, MARY, R311!!! 🤣

R313 How much of that is solo? My guess is strip away her featured work and that number drops tremendously. She can't have success without the help of a much more popular artist.

I don’t care to join the Gaga vs. Madonna debate, it’s as silly as Michael Jackson vs Justin Timberlake.

But I will say this. Madonna’s lead soundtrack albums never reached only #20 on the charts like Gaga just did.

“Who’s That Girl”, “I’m Breathless”, and “Evita” were hits.

I was listening to a podcast and a guy, non fan, was talking about how talented Gaga is as an actress and how it’s a shame she keeps doing bad movies.

[quote] She can't have success without the help of a much more popular artist.

R317. Facts:

She was the first woman to receive the Digital Diamond Award certification from RIAA, one of the few artists with at least three Diamond certified songs ("Bad Romance", "Poker Face" and "Just Dance"), and the first and only artist to have two songs pass seven million downloads ("Poker Face" and "Just Dance")

R319 Talented based on what? She's not at all a talented actress. She pales in comparison to 99% of Actress Oscar nominees and winners.

R318 There's no debate- the fan at r306 keeps bringing up Madonna to deflect from this film's miserable failure.

Look, the bottom line is that no amount of fake bullshit about Gaga's "failed" career and assertions she has "no talent" can stand up to reality, numbers, dollars, awards, and facts. So suck on that, cunts!

She's laughing at her haters all the way to the bank with her Oscar in her hand!

Moving on now--unlike the rest of you! Enjoy your alternative facts here while no one in the real world cares or listens--especially Gaga! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[quote] “Who’s That Girl”, “I’m Breathless”, and “Evita” were hits.

And what's extremely impressive about Who's that Girl is that it was a massive bomb at the box office. So the soundtrack to a failed movie reached the top 10. Which is huge.

R317, great question, I'm not sure.

[quote]She's laughing at her haters all the way to the bank with her Oscar in her hand!

What does she do with it when she reaches the teller's window?

R323 It was a bomb, a complete failure, but not massive bc it didn't cost a lot to make.

R326, you're right, I was thinking in absolute terms. It certainly didn't cost as much to make as this Joker movie did!

$200 million budget. $100 million in marketing.

Expected to finish under $200 million global in its total run.

Massive BOMB

Surely Warner knew this was a turd and no amount of marketing was going to fool people?!?!

Idiots.

R328 It’s shameful.

R329 They thought it would be critic proof despite the reviews at the Venice Film Festival.

It’s their fault for trusting Todd Phillips. He got a huge budget, made a shit script, did whatever he wanted, didn’t want it screen tested for audiences, and fought to premiere it at the Venice Film Festival.

He’s really an asshole because this isn’t the climate to pull this nonsense.

This was supposed to be the big movie of the year after Deadpool.

*flicks cigarette*

Fuck Chair. Gaga destroys that bitch. Fuck,y'all.

Yes, my love R332. Now it's time for your pills. Let's get you nice and comfy in your bed. There. Sleep. Sleep now.

How big of a drop off will this turd see this weekend?

Variety is reporting 65% drop off

Damn, R335. First Joaquin walks away from a project he initiated five days before shooting was to begin. Now the movie that he dreamt the plot for in a dream is tanking at the box office. One wonders what is going on with Joaquin. He's had such good instincts in his career up to now. This is pretty bad.

An 82% drop is a repudiation. As noted, this is a scenario maybe not seen since Exorcist 2.

R338, that is insane. Holy shit.

Watch Fuckface start appropriating Art the Clown imagery into her upcoming LG7 album.

She'll spout off about how gore and blood is the 21st century's answer to art.

"Look, I'm one of the little people, I love gore and blood!"

Ha- I called this drop last weekend!

R340 Wait, she’s not Art the Clown?

Dayyyyum. 82% drop on top of a severely underperforming opening weekend?

82%

EIGHTY TWO PERCENT

That is historic. Biggest box office bomb in years. One of the biggest ever.

Who is she going to beg to feature on a song from her next album to save her career because she can't have a solo hit?

Taylor? As if she would.