Madonna’s brother, Christopher Ciccone, may be dead to me

I thought he’d already died? He’s the one that wrote a book about being Madonna’s brother, right?

Did another brother of hers die a couple of years ago?

Christopher is the one who wrote the book. Her brother Anthony died in early 2023.

Anthony was the homeless one?

Yes.

Confirmed by multiple sources now.

Watch her post nothing about it. She didn’t even post about her stepmother. Nothing but photos of her fake ass. lol. Christopher did do her dirty though. Her dad is on his deathbed now. Her dad has cancer. Christopher was rumored to have had cancer too. She’s going to really go off the rails as it becomes more and more apparent that she only has so many years left.

R5, where?

Oh, God. Prepare for an incoming song with lyrics like, "You were big when I was small/I used to wish I was so tall/We grew up without a mother/Just you and me, sister and brother" set to a four-on-the-floor beat.

I feel sorry for their father as his wife died recently.

They already updated his Wikipedia. lol

R7, family and people close to them.

Her big fan podcasts are also now saying it’s true.

Ciccone family confirms.

I always felt like she treated Joan like shit. You're a grown woman now; you were admittedly a pain in the ass kid then. Grow the fuck up, Madonna. She was a hero for no other reason than that she was probably one of the few to put you in your place, thus your resentment of her.

He was 63. I actually liked his book. We all know about Madonna’s mental problems. He revealed a lot about her histrionics. That being said, he did have affection for her. Christopher turning into a MAGA freak was really sad. He even praised that fat cunt who wouldn’t give marriage licenses to gay couples.

R14, she seemingly reconciled with her even saying that Joan was trying when they were kids and she was still upset over her mother’s death. She was physically abusive to Madonna though.

Hey, if my dad married the housekeeper two seconds after my mom croaked (that you didn’t even warn me about), I’d be a bit resentful too.

Hey Square Peg, do you have crocodile tears to share?

Jesus - her brother Anthony died last year, her stop mom last month, her dad will probably die of cancer soon, and now her younger brother?

I saw some interviews with him - he came across as a HUGE brat. He was sexy when he was young though.

Where did the Ciccone family confirm? Nothing on google, social media, etc

I ate at his overpriced restaurant off-WeHo back in the day. Mickey Rourke and Demi Moore were dancing on tables.

this is not confirmed

Not on Wikipedia yet.

It is, r22.

If the story he told about her not paying him, making him and his working class sister pay for plane tickets to attend her wedding in Scotland, and giving his mother to the Kabbalah Center are true, Madonna is a cunt.

R23, it’s there.

Goddamn, those Ciccones don't age well.

The stepmother’s memorial service was held yesterday.

Wiki says he's DEAD!!

DEAAAAAAAAAD!!!!

Sorry, Joan Ciccone’s service was on Thursday.

[quote] "You were big when I was small/I used to wish I was so tall/We grew up without a mother/Just you and me, sister and brother" set to a four-on-the-floor beat.

Not bad, actually.

I read the brother's book. As much as I don't like Madonna, I could see that she did try to help him. She employed him. He got too much into drugs and wanted more and more money for whatever he was doing (designer, helping Madonna, etc.). His sense of self became inflated because he was Madonna's brother.

fake news

Why should Madonna have to pay for her family to attend her wedding?

I’m looking at Wikipedia now and it’s not there.

I saw the post above here

Look at his Instagram. Someone posted, “I heard you are dead. Is this true?”

R36 someone named partyclams is working overtime to edit that page.

Wikipedia still lists him as alive but says he “was” the younger brother of Madonna. Editing wars, I guess.

so the only source for this is wikipedia?

Suck it up while you can Christopher, it's gonna be a long, long time before anybody pays attention to you again.

Encyclopedia Madonnica on instagram has been posting Christopher related stuff all day, but turning the comments on off for every post. Kind of frustrating

People are posting condolences on his husband’s Facebook page.

Died of prostate cancer.

[quote] Why should Madonna have to pay for her family to attend her wedding?

She’s rich and her sister couldn’t afford it. Are you retarded?

She treated him like absolute shit for many years. Hopefully she apologized and made amends before he passed.

R40 someone fixed that.

R32, he didn’t want more money, he wanted the money he was contracted to get. She screwed him over countless times. She had him buy $1m pieces of art that she then said she didn’t like and made him pay for it out of pocket. She does this with everyone.

He smoked, was a drunk and a druggie and morbidly obese. Hes lucky he made it to 63. He was a mess.

Madonna isn’t exactly the picture of stability herself R50

You better copyright those lyrics, R8. Before she has a chance to steal them and claim them as her own.

[quote]Died of prostate cancer

That’s a speculation on Reddit

He wasn't bad looking when he was young. I would've fucked him.

He had a cancerous ass, but he couldn't live forever.

A friend of mine was his roommate and confirmed it was cancer. Didn’t say prostate. Christopher was living in Michigan with family.

r56 When was he his roommate? Isn't Christopher a married man?

Look at R56 pretending to be an insider:

Gays who are married rarely live together anymore.

Oh what the fuck are you even talking about R59.

Back in the day. They were cute. It's so long ago it seems and looks like the Weimar Republic.

I see some resemblance between the brother and the nephew Rocco. I bet Rocco never danced his ass off like Christopher.

r56 Sure, Jan

I read his memoir and he kept it clean. Madonna was enraged to discover her brother charged a markup for the furnishings purchased for her homes. He did not go too far in regards to letting his sister have it. He admitted to a substance abuse issue, but was quick to point out he wasn't the only one in his sister's circle using.

He fell out with his sister when she married her second husband, a homophobe who openly disparaged him.

All the talk updating Wikipedia made me realize it's been awhile since I checked polyholidays to make sure it doesn't say she's dead because a few years ago I read a thread on here saying she was because they're Wikipedia said so but since there was no verifiable info I took it upon myself to delete it. Then it got added again so I deleted it a second time in that time it's took..

That being said I hope Madonna's other siblings are close enough to keep her somewhat grounded especially once her father goes. For some reason I feel like there is at least one sister that she's close to..

R14, Madonna and Joan were on good terms.

His Wikipedia pages shows he's still alive as of 10:30 Eastern time. I think this is a hoax. Shame if so, coming the same day as their stepmother's service.

Fake news...I just got back from The Limelight and he was doing fine, in fact too fine.

r66 "I hope Madonna's other siblings are close enough to keep her somewhat grounded"

Have you been paying attention the last 10 years? Clearly they are not.

R66, Madonna is closest to sister Melanie, who was a publicist for Brian Eno's Opal Records and is married to singer-songwriter Joe Henry. She is now an artist dealing mostly in mixed media textiles and lives in Maine.

Wiki pages are updated when official news sources carry the news.

The coroner doesn’t notify wiki.

Melanie is the only one of Madonna's six siblings she's ever been close to. I believe Madonna's sister Jennifer is actually her step-sister and not a blood relative.

Madonna's nephew Levon Henry (her sister Melanie's son) looks like Madonna if she had been a man instead of a woman.

r72 Yes, dear, we're well aware.

Paula tried to model in the 80s and she seemed very resentful of Madonna at the time.

As someone said, Madonna was close to Melanie and Christopher but Christopher stabbed her in the back.

There’s so many of them and some are older and some are younger and I think it’s common for big families not to all interact with each other.

Sad Christopher has died because he’s such a staple if you’re a Madonna fan.

I liked what he had to say about “Confessions on a Dance Floor”. That the imagery of the album was inspired by the gay nightclub he took Madonna to in Detroit when they were young.

r73 Jennifer Ciccone is Madonna's younger half-sister, not stepsister. They share the same father. There is also a half-brother named Mario (?) I believe. Both were born to her late stepmother, Joan.

R76, Paula was resentful because Madonna went to New York to be a dancer, while Paula was the one who aspired to be a singer / model / actress. So when Madonna switched gears, went into music and became a superstar, Paula hated that her sister was leading the life she (Paula) had planned for herself.

Did he send us his love, R69?

Always liked Christopher, even fat Christopher.

[quote]Paula tried to model in the 80s and she seemed very resentful of Madonna at the time.

There’s video on YouTube from a mini interview with Paula from the 80’s for Entertainment Tonight or something. Clips of her getting her make up done or whatever. She was so low rent.

I heard that he vowed to live long enough to see the Menendez brothers freed.

Isn’t he a drug addict?

R78 - the difference between Madonna and Paula is that Madonna has "it" (and in massive amounts).

Paula does not have "it". There was never any chance of Paula becoming successful as a model or a singer or an actress.

Another friend confirms it.

And another one.

Paula was drop dead gorgeous, way more beautiful than Madonna back in the day.

The youngest brother is still hot as hell. He was such a twink.

It's not official until TMZ reports it. And they have nothing on him.

It’s official.

TMZ fell for that ridiculous hoax about Beyoncé or Taylor Swift being at the Democratic convention.

[quote]Paula was drop dead gorgeous, way more beautiful than Madonna back in the day.

No way R87. Paula was too hard and angular looking and she had no charisma. Madonna was softer and more feminine and had a better shaped face (heart shaped). Madonna also knew exactly how to make the most of what she had. Madonna also commanded attention and the camera loved her. It's an interesting example of how genetics fall perfectly into place for some siblings and not for others.

His Wikipedia entry claims otherwise, OP.

R56 knows the people in R85 and R86’s links. I heard him say that.

His Wikipedia page has no mention of his death so far R93.

For the love of God, let it go with Wiki already. It's an armature based opinion based semi-factual website masquerading as an online dictionary. It's not the f-ing Oracle of Delphi.

Madonna's brother Chris is still alive.

All the speculation started on Reddit. 🙄

Is funny on here how someone REALLY needs him to be dead.

Good lord, Paula was hideous! She looks like Roger the Alien from American Dad in that photo at R92

Does anyone have a link to read his book for free?

Thanks

He definitely is dead. The family is currently dealing with the death of the stepmother a week ago.

Not dead

He's riding the funeral coattails of his stepmom.

Is it dead yet?

Still not dead.

Who?

He pass.

She's fine! She sends her love!

And her desperation.

His close friends are posting up a storm with memories of him and knowing that he was sick for a while.

r109 link?

"And the operator said 40 cents more, for the next... 3 minutes... please

Mrs. Avery, I just gotta talk to her

I'll only keep her a while

Sorry wrong thread

[quote]He definitely is dead. The family is currently dealing with the death of the stepmother a week ago.

Makes sense - I guess they figured 'Let's ice him for a few weeks until we get over Step-mom's death, and we can give our undivided attention to his death.' So he's waiting in the wings, so to speak. They'll roll him out when it's convenient to them.

Frankly, under all that plastic surgery SHE may be dead to me.

"Does anyone have a link to read his book for free?"

They have a thing called a 'Public Library' now.

r96 it's just very strange that even TMZ is staying mum about this.

I'm sorry for Madge's loss.

Barrister: But we've got to verify it legally, To see

Mayor: To see?

Barrister: If he

Mayor: If he?

Barrister: Is morally, ethic'lly

Father No.1: Spiritually, physically

Father No. 2: Positively, absolutely

Munchkins: Undeniably and reliably dead

Just got an alert from TMZ that he’s dead.

Oops here’s the link.

Julie Chen Moonves has also come on camera to address BIG BROTHER TV audiences:

"It's official. With a confirmation from TMZ, Christopher Ciccone is officially dead. Let's go tell the houseguests...

Houseguests ! In a moment, I will announce the death of another member in Madonna's family. The most stunned Madonna fan houseguest will have a few minutes to gather his or her emotions, and make a statement.

With confirmation from TMZ, Christopher Ciccone is officially dead. "

Kimo stands up, covers his mouth, and sobs uncontrollably. The others look at each other, shrugh their shoulders and mouth "Who ?" to each other.

Did he at least get to enjoy the Celebration Tour?

We know Joan did.

Shady disrespectful pic by TMZ.

TMZ has now confirmed that Christopher has died from prostate cancer.

Told ya!

Why is the pic shady and disrespectful? It’s probably just the last public photo of him.

Wikipedia is now updated.

[quote] They have a thing called a 'Public Library' now.

And as a former library employee, here's how this works:

About every two years, they are required (by board members) to do a deep inventory of their stacks for financial reasons. This means they have to scan each book in their collection and see how many times it's been checked out in the past two years, to determine it's popularity. If the book has not been checked out in the past two years, it gets 'flagged'. In another two years, if it still has not gotten checked out it gets pulled from the stacks to make room for newer inventory. If the flagged book has gotten checked out over the next two years, it could still be on 'the chopping block' - depending on how many times it was checked out in it's rebound period (under 5 times, it's usually removed). I'm betting 'Hillbilly Elegy' was probably in its flagged stage by now, but has rebounded nicely over the summer and won't be facing the chopping block anytime soon.

There are some factors which come into play:

How popular the author is (for example, Stephen King books are never removed from shelves, no matter how old the title nor how frequently old titles circulate). King stays on the shelves, period. I'm sure this is true for just about every US library. Sue Grafton is another author - her books stay on the shelves.

Classics are exempt - Harper Lee's 'To Kill A Mockingbird' will always stay on the shelves. However the 'newly discovered' 'Go Set A Watchman' (written at the same time by Lee, but never published back then) which was released in 2015 (and was a failure) has probably already been pulled by most libraries.

Physical size of the library - NYPL probably keeps books much longer than libraries in smaller districts with limited physical space.

Condition of the book - if it's in poor condition and not worth repairing, it gets tossed. Chances are if the book is more than a few years old, they won't be buying a replacement copy. (Again, an exception would be 'Hillbilly Elegy' these days - libraries are probably replacing their copies if they have been tossed).

So Ciccone's book was a best seller when it came out in 2008. I have a feeling it dropped off in popularity by 2010, and was removed from most shelves to make room for others by 2015-16. If you go to your library to find it, it may take a while for them to locate a copy from another library and check it out to you.

What do libraries do with these past 'best sellers' ? Usually they hold a 'book sale' every quarter to raise money for the library and sell these books for about a $1. If they don't move, they're tossed in their 'free books' pile.

I tried to keep her away from Nazi S&M porn..

When did he become... heavy?

He ain't heavy, he's my estranged brother

Chrissshtopher - ill missh you.

I got the impression Christopher Ciccone's memoir was deeply edited. There's dirt but not dirt dirt.

He did explain the memorable sequence in Madonna's Truth or Dare that interested me because I didn't understand the moment in the film.

Christopher Ciccone was asked if he'd like to visit his mothers' grave and of course agreed. He was livid to see a camera setup for a private family moment and refused to participate.

In the film you see footage of Christopher Ciccone fuming at a distance while his famous sister rolls on their mother's grave.

He was furious but bit his tongue.

Money is a great motivation for most of us.

Why I'll Never Confirm That Christopher Ciccone is Dead.

It’s rare to die of prostrate cancer. 15 year survival rate in the US is 95%.

Has Susan Dey commented?

Back in the day I seriously had a mad crush on Christopher, never met the guy but just thought he was totally hot. We had mutual friends in common in LA and I would hear things here and there about him. May he rest in peace. I'm also thinking of Madonna and her family during this difficult time.

Wow was he really a big Trump supporter now!!?!! Wow. Guess I stopped following what he was up to!

I'mma watch Truth or Dare today!

I am not understanding the magat thing and can only surmise his cognitive abilities were compromised by long term substance abuse.

Where did you see he was a Trump supporter, R136?

I googled him and this turned up... maybe it's a good thing he died before the election.

R139 that article says a lot about his insignificance when you consider that they didn't use his picture.

Ok, he's dead again.

The book is available at archive.org. Create a free account and you can check it out just like in a library.

[quote]It’s rare to die of prostrate cancer.

But when they do, they are found face down.

M looks very good at r139

R125, the pic at R123 is shady and disrespectful because it's Madonna looking horrible, and in her SM drag. They could have posted a nice photo of Madonna and her brother. It's just mean, to Madonna and the late Christopher. Are you autistic?

Christopher used to be friends with Demi Moore and even did the interior design on one of her homes. But she dropped him when he fell out with Madonna. Later he called Moore, a "diva" who "treats gay men like handbags."

He wrote Demi was flirtatious

R132, he was furious because after Madonna was done rolling around on their mother’s grave she told him it was his turn. He was outraged and told her to go fuck herself.

Christopher and Joan.

Christopher said that Demi and Ashton sat in Madonna and Guy’s house waiting for them. They showed up in white track suits and just left them there after ten minutes.

I wonder why he had become so obese?

[quote] It’s rare to die of prostrate cancer.

No it’s not. There are aggressive forms.

R151, he was dying and was a former drug addict.

Did he have a drug problem or was he a drug addict? The difference being, was he able to find years of sobriety (at least not on drugs), or was he using close up to the end? Everyone seems to just be dismissing him as a drug addict and that was the reason for his problems. But you could have called me a drug addict for three years in my 30s, but that was twenty years ago. I would be devastated if that is what I would now be defined as.

R154 According to your logic, you now have a drug problem?

[quote]Madonna was done rolling around on their mother’s grave ...

She wasn't exactly "rolling around" the way she would on a concert stage. That's frivolous and disrespectful. She laid atop the grave and then rolled on her side to see if she could be fit between her mom's plot and neighboring one. Of course it was all done for the cameras, but I doubt she turned to Chris and said, "Okay, your turn!"

I think Paula looks like John Boy Walton and Jackie Earle Haley at r92.

R156, she was rolling around. A lot of footage was cut. He said it was then that he realized that there was nothing she wouldn’t do or use for publicity, even their dead mother.

[quote] Where did you see he was a Trump supporter, [R136]?

His Facebook page and Twitter account. He wrote publicly thanking Trump and thanking the fat fuck who denied marriage licenses. Everyone he followed is a MAGAt.

Christopher was also friends with Dave Rubin and Candace Owens.

No doubt Christopher had a big fat Italian cock.

We'll always have this creation of his to remember.

His drug addiction is lightly discussed in his memoir. I don't even recall what his drug of choice was, not that it matters what substance it was. Your life is either manageable or it isn't. The type of drug is irrelevant.

His sister would call him to say "I'm hearing terrible things about you".

But the people who were telling his sister about the terrible things HE was up to, wouldn't mention their own addiction issues!

Dolly is terrible in that video.

I'm sure Madonna doesn't give a shit.

She's selfish, self-centered, and egotistical.

If it doesn't involve her, then she doesn't care.

Whoever said that she's probably posting another ass photo as we speak, is right.

This is just another day for that ridiculous cunt whore known as Madonna.

I hope her kids treat her the same way that she treated the rest of her family.

R158 that was his moment to remove himself from Madonna's spectacle.

But he stayed for the ride until his sister no longer had a use for him in her cosplay role as an English bride.

Money has a lot of influence in our lives and it really angers me to hear people say money doesn't matter, it does.

r158 "A lot of footage was cut"

Then how do you know?

Re R84, Paula dreamed of being a model, actress, entertainer, but the problem was, unlike her extrovert older sister, Paula was painfully shy and lacked confidence, which impeded her ability to turn it "on" and be a charismatic performer. And Madonna has said that Paula tried so many different careers but never stuck to one before moving on to the next. Perhaps it was the lack of confidence that kept her from accomplishing bigger things.

Paula eventually went back to Michigan, took up wine making at Univ of Michigan and now works at the family winery. So maybe she's found her place and inner peace.

[QUOTE]She laid atop the grave and then rolled on her side to see if she could be fit between her mom's plot and neighboring one.

In an outtake, she imitates Teri Garr in Young Frankenstein. "Roll, roll, roll in zee hay."

r164 The video was deemed so bad it was never released.

Madonna posted on IG

That video captures none of Dolly's natural talent or the director's, it's ugly

You can tell Madge wrote that IG post herself. I thought she was supposed to be highly intelligent? She writes almost as badly as Trump.

Yeah, it looks like she wrote that herself. Her self-centeredness comes through. "We danced through the AIDS epidemic."

Closest human? Closest aardvark? Human assholes?

[quote] madonna Edited • 45m

My brother Christopher is gone.

He was the closest human to me for so long

Its hard to explain our bond

But it grew out of an understanding that we were different and society was going to give us a hard time for not following the status quo.

We took each other‘s hands and we danced through the madness of our childhood

In fact dance was a kind of superglue that held us together.

Discovering Dance in our small Midwestern town saved me and then my brother came along, and it saved him too

My ballet Teacher, also named Christopher- created a safe space for my brother to be Gay.

a word that was not spoken or even whispered where we lived.

When I finally got the courage to go to New York to become a Dancer.

My brother followed.

And again we took each other’s hands, and we danced through the madness of New York City!

We devoured Art and Music And Film like hungry animals

we were in the epicenter of all of these things exploding.

We danced through the madness of the AIDS epidemic.

We went to funerals and we cried, and we went dancing. We danced together on stage in the beginning of my career and eventually, he became the Creative Director, of many tours. When it came to good taste, my brother was the Pope, and you had to kiss the ring to get his blessing.

We defied the Roman Catholic Church,

The Police, the Moral Majority and all Authority figures that got in the way of Artistic freedom!

My brother was right by my side.

He was a painter a poet and a visionary.

I admired him. He had impeccable taste. And a sharp tongue, Which he sometimes used against me but I always forgave him.

We soared the highest heights together

And floundered in the lowest lows.

Somehow, we always found each other again and We held hands and we kept dancing.

The last few years have not been easy

We did not speak for sometime but When my brother got sick. We found our way back to each other.

I did my best to keep him alive as long as possible.

He was in so much pain towards the end

Once again, we held hands We closed our eyes and we danced.Together.

I’m glad he’s not suffering anymore.

There will never be anyone like him.

I know he’s dancing somewhere.💔

R173, it's an Instagram post, not a fucking dissertation. Although it is heartfelt, it does smack of self-importance and self-centeredness. But then it wouldn't be Madonna now, would it?

R173, "almost as badly"? You shouldn't be critiquing anyone's writing.

Has his death been verified?

The fat lady has sung, R179. It’s over.

After "Sex", it should surprise no one that the word banal sums up Madonna's writing.

Madonna sings?

I found the post touching and true. You people are cunts for the sake of cunning. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't, Madonna. Madonna's not lying about NYC and AIDS for example. We supported a mutual friend to his death from AIDS and Madonna was very kind to this person al, the way through the worst of it and she was normal with us, his humble friends.

[quote] it's an Instagram post, not a fucking dissertation.

Instagram posts can't be punctuated and capitalized correctly? Especially when it's a post devoted to a beloved dead relative that'll be viewed by tens of millions of people? Sorry if I expected more from a woman who claims to have a genius-level IQ of 140! At least now we know you aren't the "Oh, Dear!" troll.

[quote]"almost as badly"?

Correct.

They were both Monsters.

How 70s.

R184 it was a long post, probably done on her IPhone. Why quibble about caps and punctuation on an IG post?

Because this is Datalounge.

She just posted a lovely tribute to him on Instagram. It reads like a two year old, but still.

And IQ scores have nothing to do with a person's ability to spell and punctuate and write prose and poetry.

It touched my cold black heart.

Singer Darren Hayes fucked Christopher and they had a bad break up. He also fucked Truth or Dare director Alek Keshishian. He went to a party for Madonna and Madonna was a huge fan. Then Alek took her aside and said that he fucked her brother and was trying to fuck his way into her life. She flashed daggers at him the entire night.

She doesn’t have a high IQ. That was Internet rubbish debunked by Mensa who said that they never reveal IQ scores and Madonna said that she didn’t even know hers.

The Ciccones are very hairy. Christopher saw her 1970s nudes and commented on her bush and ass hair.

Darren Hayes is a top? Who knew?

[quote]She's selfish, self-centered, and egotistical.

[quote]If it doesn't involve her, then she doesn't care.

Most big stars are like this, and always have been. You really do need to be a bit of a monster to reach the top of show business.

Is Madonna ambitious? Yes. She's driven, she was disciplined, she was a hard worker. She also seems to be okay with money, reasonably financially-savvy.

Is she highly intellectual? No, I don't think so. That faux, hybrid, English accent was so horrible and was an attempt to appear intelligent.

[quote]Sorry if I expected more from a woman who claims to have a genius-level IQ of 140!

Does she really claim that? I thought that was Sharon Stone.

Terrible for the family, the eldest brother died less than 2 years ago I believe, the stepmother only weeks ago and now Christopher. Madonna's father is elderly and battling Parkinson's, it won't be long for him either.

Not a Madonna fan, but hope she has a decent support system around her right now. She's been fragile in the recent past.

[quote]She also seems to be okay with money, reasonably financially-savvy.

That's one thing which can be said about her. She's always been smart with money, and doesn't spend frivolously.

[quote]I found the post touching and true. You people are cunts for the sake of cunning. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't, Madonna. Madonna's not lying about NYC and AIDS for example. We supported a mutual friend to his death from AIDS and Madonna was very kind to this person al, the way through the worst of it and she was normal with us, his humble friends.

Madonna's best friend Martin Burgoyne died of AIDS in 1986. She rented an apartment for him close to St. Vincent's Hospital and paid for all of his health care costs. She was devastated when he died.

At least she commented. She's no Dee Hall.

[quote]Instagram posts can't be punctuated and capitalized correctly?

Oh for fuck's sake why don't you just crawl out of your hovel and participate in the modern world? JFC you ancient old fossils. It's Instagram. That's how people write on it.

Goddamn fuck you assholes. You took a thread about her fucking brother dying as an excuse to drag her in every fucking way. I’m sure it is due to Lady Ehhh flopping with Joker so your anger is cathartic.

Half the shit you say about her are lies. You’re like toddlers making fun of someone. I never knew old men were so miserable and bitchy. Maybe AIDS took the wrong generation.

Your message of empathy reeks of compassion r204

[quote]Instagram posts can't be punctuated and capitalized correctly?

why

Madonna and her stepmother, and with Christopher.

Madonna was not a monster. She visited AIDS wards in the late 80s/early 90s and would lay with patients dying she did not know. This was not revealed until decades later. She paid for their funerals. She’s given millions to AIDS research. She did a make a wish with a young fan dying of cancer. She went above and beyond by calling the girl every day and would talk with her for hours as seen on Oprah. She privately reached out to Gloria Estefan after her bus crash, and they become good friends to this day. She reached out to Whitney after her first miscarriage and the birth of Bobbi K, and she reached out to Toni Braxton who was going through hell, wanted to quit the business, but Madonna urged her not to.

It sounds like Christopher suffered horribly. A cousin of mine died of prostate cancer at 53, a slow and painful death. Sometimes it can be caught through testing and treatment before it spreads.

This goes with R207

R192 Christopher Ciccone did not name his long term (first) love in his memoir. He did write this boyfriend accused him of cheating too many times and their separation was acrimonious. He wrote he offered this boyfriend a large amount of money after their breakup and his ex and the ex's family asked for more. I see nothing online who this person is, described as a regular dude, with a big family from Long Island.

He's already forgotten.

Not quite as newsworthy as Tito.

Christopher described their stepmother Joan as a "strict disciplinarian," which Madonna resented and rebelled against. Ironically, it was this learned discipline that carried Madonna through her career, motherhood, and personal life. So without realizing it, Joan had a profound effect on her.

I heard she isn't white.

R213 her dad was the strict one. Stepmother was as well, but Madonna already learned her father’s lessons by the time stepmom came around.

Christopher Ciccone wrote Madonna was their dad's favorite, she was named after her mother

R6, that bitch will last another 30 years. Nasty, vicious, selfish people live longer.

Vadge makes it all about her. Can't wait for the casket dance.

I have been waiting all day for Madonna to post. Now that it's up, I am finding to be more than I expected it to be, but somehow less than I'd hoped for.

My main nit to pick is when she writes, "I did my best to keep him alive as long as possible." While it is more than likely 100% true that Madonna paid for Christopher's cancer treatments/hospice care, it's gauche to publicly claim it. If one has any sense of humility, propriety or good taste one would say "WE (the family, the royal we, etc) did OUR best to keep him alive as long as possible." Because money aside, I'm sure the entire family was doting on him and caring for him right up until he died. Not to mention the doctors and nurses that work so hard every day. By saying "I did my best," Madonna is elevating her financial contribution above the actual hands-on love and care that the rest of the family provided (that she most certainly did not). To me, that hands-on care, that witnessing, keeping bedside vigil, is at least AS crucial if not far MORE so than throwing money at doctor bills from afar. Especially when you consider how much pain her brother was in and the inevitability of his death, life extension is not really such a valuable thing to brag about. I'd have been more moved if she'd included the entire family and/or hospital staff with a "we" statement. I'd have been even MORE moved to hear that Madonna and her children had made a secret pilgrimage to Michigan to attend to Christopher in person with the rest of the family. But, we know that didn't happen.

It would have also been nice if Madonna had bragged about what a great uncle Christopher had come to be to his various nieces and nephews over the years. You know, personal qualities, like how funny or earnest or humble he was. Or what a great winemaker he'd become. Qualities, however mundane, that Christopher might have possessed or developed in his own right, which were distinct from his "journey" as his famous sister's sidekick.

All that aside though, however prone Madonna is to poeticizing loss on Insta and in her art, I bet she's a fucking emotional wreck right now over this loss. Christopher was her bestie and her partner in crime, both in childhood and during her rise to the top. You never forget that kind of bond, those heady memories. His death is the period at the end of arguably the happiest sentence in the book of her life.

R219 She was relating HER relationship with him. Every eulogy I’ve been to was about person speaking’s relationship was to the deceased. JFC

I'm glad she acknowledged his contributions to her stage shows. Jaime King, who just turned her shows into garish, theme park spectacles, was a poor replacement.

Chris understood the theatricality of a live show, the interplay with her musicians, backup singers and dancers. The Girlie Show was largely his creation.

[quote]Can’t wait for the casket dance.

I’ve got that covered.

r219 has diarrhea of the keyboard. Sheesh.

I'm really surprised she didn't consult your first, r219, to make sure she wrote it in a way that met your expectations. How strange!

Rosie's IG

Ok,, R220, I get that, point taken. But you don't think it's gauche to take single-handed credit for "keeping him alive as long as I could?" That gave me the Ick. It's a huge family, plus the doctors, nurses, hospice workers. Yet she single handedly was keeping him alive? A bit self-absorbed, don't you think? Just me? Okay.

Sharon Stone’s IQ is closer to 160 or even 170, depending on the day.

R225 just shut the fuck up. You just wanna pick apart every fucking thing she does. Fucking tiresome.

LOL at Rosie paying tribute when Christopher told Howard Stern that Rosie was batshit crazy.

R219 and you made this about YOUR expectations of Madonna. At length. What a fucking blow hard you are.

Sharon Stone's IQ is on the level of Albert Einstein. If she hadn't gone into acting she would've been a theoretical physicist.

Let her grieve the way SHE wants.

You tell her, R223! Clutch those pearls, doll!

God FORBID someone engages in pointless bitchery HERE, of all places. Lord have mercy! IT'S SIMPLY NOT DONE HERE

Sharon escaped the Nazi's on a bike and invented WiFi. Oh, wait a minute. That was Hedy Lamarr. So many beautiful brainiacs!

R232 The bitchery is not pointless. We all know why you all are in raged. The Joker 2 was flopping and you’ve got to vomit out your rage here.

Can you please have your medications readjusted.

You just wished for a population of gay men to die of AIDS. On a gay male website.

Overreact much?

[quote]Rosie's IG

The first response was brother-in-law, Joe Henry.

R232, Who gets to decide when the bitchery is or is not pointless in any given moment on this website? Serious question. Do we take turns? Draw straws? People can rip someone's career, looks, or personal life to literal shreds on one thread, and then come here five seconds later and micromanage someone's hot take on an Instagram eulogy. Seems a bit un-First Amendment to me. I don't grind a thread to a halt to scold someone for their bitchy, cunty takes, I just scroll on. Why can't you?

Joe Henry wrote in his IG post that he and Melanie (Madonna and Christopher's sister) were there.

r234 "in raged"

Oh, dear!

r232 Might be time to go take a walk, get some fresh air

r237 " Seems a bit un-First Amendment to me"

Seriously? Good grief, go to sleep.

R234 I don't get this logic, is there some sort of Madonna/Gaga war going on that I'm unaware of? I am R219 and I didn't realize Joker 2 was out, nor do I feel strongly about Lady Gaga OR Madonna. But If I had to choose, I'd choose Madonna all day any day. I like her better and I like her music better. I'm just confused because I have seen this "You're just mad about Joker 2" diss happening a lot on DL lately, and I am wondering if it's just a lone lunatic (you) creating an issue out of thin air because you are bored, or if there is a deeper storm brewing in the zeitgeist?

r242 It's the same dumbass repeating it - not worth giving it a second thought.

Read the Joker threads. They made the flopping all about Madonna. The first threads about Madonna are using the same language.

[quote]Your message of empathy reeks of compassion

Be [italic]kind[/italic], you stupid fuck!

The father, battling cancer, losing his long time wife, and two sons. He seems like such a good man. He almost lost his daughter last year. Imagine losing all four one after the other (Anthony in ‘23, Madonna in ‘23, Joan in ‘24, Christopher in ‘24).

"in raged" = Madonna typing from her iPhone.

I was wondering why I had R219 blocked so I looked him up on troll-dar. He's a fucking freak.

r134 He may have had a phobia or deep dislike of physicians. Sad.

R248 Huh. Weird. I'd say about 75% of my posts are sincere/supportive/reflective/self-revelatory, 20% pointless bitchery/humor, and 5% I will geek out about a topic and hyperfocus, like I did analyzing Madonna's eulogy, which seemed to trigger folks. But I am never looking for trouble. If I am a "fucking freak" then half the people on DL are literal serial killers.

I liked your post, R219.

r251 No you did not.

At least I didn't use "mafukin" in my eulogy critique, amirite? Let's redirect the vitriol back to where it belongs.

[quote] That's one thing which can be said about her. She's always been smart with money

Right, that’s why she got married without a prenup and hands her money over to a cult, one that got her investigated by the FBI for money laundering countless times.

Her dad will be dead any day now. He has terminal cancer, is 93, and most spouses at that age die not long after the other goes. Madonna will unravel from all this. It’ll finally occur to her that her time is coming.

[quote] LOL at Rosie paying tribute when Christopher told Howard Stern that Rosie was batshit crazy.

Rosie said herself that she’s batshit crazy.

R254 She’s still good with money.

R255 Bitch all our time is coming. She’s never hid from her age unlike Mariah “ I don’t celebrate birthdays bc I’m eternally 12” Carey. Madonna celebrates every birthday big.

Love her IG post. It’s all there. ❤️

[quote]R34 Why should Madonna have to pay for her family to attend her wedding?

Of course she doesn’t have to. But why the hell SHOULDN’T she??

R258 agree. It seems very genuine.

The beginning of this thread is the Schrödinger’s Box of the “Dead To Me” threads

Their sister Paula Ciccone was great looking

Oh that's sad. He did die after all.

I like her tribute.

Even if it’s full of self serving half truths.

[quote] She’s still good with money.

No, dear. She’s thrown it away. She’s not broke but she wouldn’t have to rip people off if she had better instincts.

R262, r263 is late.

She hasn't thrown her money aways, she's worth a fortune.

[204] Should’ve been Madonna instead of poor Christopher. At least he left behind his great tell all book that tells all the terrible truths about his ugly sister. Unfortunately they both inherited the “uglier as you age” genes that all the Ciccones are cursed with. Even poor Lola seems to have been cursed by it. RIP Christopher at least you won’t have to deal with a megalomaniac sister anymore.

Well, one less mouth to (not) feed.

R268 karma is coming for you.

You obviously didn't read Christopher Ciccone's memoir, it's not a tell all.

It's a tell some, hold back more.

It seems he wanted to leave the door open for reconciliation so he held back a lot.

Christopher Ciccone was chosen to be his sister's consigliere for possessing the talent of discretion.

They fell out about money, he complained about being underpaid. Christopher Ciccone also discussed having a huge fight when his sister discovered he changed her a markup for the furnishings sourced for her homes.

The final fallout was more of a pushout by the second husband.

It's amazing many of you take Christopher at his word on everything. He was not forthcoming about the extent of his drug use which was the real source of contention over money. Madonna didn't want her bro marking up his prices to fuel his drug habit. He didn't like being called out on it.

The new biography about Madonna from a highly regarded writer who never writes about celebrities , spent 6 years writing this book, and goes into a lot of detail about what really happened. There's no blame assigned it's all facts laid out, but it gives more of Madonna's side. You all should read it. I think you all would come to see her in a different, better light. It thoroughly explains why she is the way she is. It gives a lot of background information that, in context, let's you understand her more and shows you she's not this horrible monster you all have conceived in your head. She's just a flawed human capable of great empathy and extremely bratty behavior, but nothing horrible. Read just the first 9 chapters ( it's 900 pages) and it gives you everything you need to know about her. I came away liking her as a person more.

And now he's as famous as he's ever been.

Which book is it R272? Sounds interesting. Is it "Madonna: A Rebel Life" by Mary Gabriel?

Seriously, r272, I'll consider your recommendation.

Who is the author?

I was vicariously exhausted reading Andrew Morton's "Madonna", so much that I had to put it down when he got to the Madonna and Sean Penn divorce.

I swear I had to stop then because if I read another description by Morton of Madonna's super-human ambition and drive, I'd have fainted from sheer tiredness.

Pretty sure it's this book R275. It looks good and has great reviews. I'm going to get it.

I am not R272 but I read Madonna: A Rebel Life and that does sound like it.

Yes, the one by Mary Gabriel.

The first 9 chapters aren't 900 pages, FYI. You will understand Madonna clearly from just those chapters. Some of it was quite shocking in a good way.

It also gives a much more nuanced and fascinating look into her time with Camille Barbone. In the end, even Camille admits she didn't have what Madonna needed and Madonna was right to move on. The circumstances of their business break up is sad for both. Camille admits she tried to get Madonna to go in a direction that she didn't want to go in. Madonna gave her chances but time was ticking.

A former girlfriend of Madonna, not romantic, who lived with her during those roach infested years, said both would go on dates to get a good meal, but they would get sick to their stomachs fearing the guys would want sex. Neither of them wanted to have sex. Madonna definitely was not into casual sex at all. She was fairly asexual for a good while.

Nearly 300 posts on this accident of birth nonentity. Was he a Windsor?

Christopher was a drug user for a long time. If you've ever had a person in your life who was a drug user and refused to get help, there's a point where you have to cut off ties to them because it's too stressful and chaotic. Believe me, you have to do it because it's just too much of a horrible situation to try and deal with.

R280, He was the son of the Visconte and Viscontessa Ciccone of Suttons Bay. Have some respect!

[quote]Was he a Windsor?

And why the fuck should these clowns be given more value over others?

Muriel!

The eldergays are bitchslapping each other again!

It smells like Ben Gay, mothballs and the dollar store version of Drakkar in here!

The record exec who told Madonna to give him a BJ for a record deal ( she said no) was not named, but strongly hinted at. He's still in the biz. She opted for Seymour Stein in large part because he was gay and she trusted him.

"We took each other’s hands and we danced through the madness of our childhood.”

I am certain when Madonna reads this she pronounced it "donced"!

I like to imagine Madonna's Guido junkie brothers are living (and dying) like an episode of The Penguin.

I don't have the links, but Christopher died of pancreatic and not prostate cancer, per his "spokesperson". He also died in Michigan, but had spent nearly a year living in Madge's LA home while he received cancer treatment there. That's fairly generous of her, she did try to help.

He must have gone back to MI, where his family is, at the end when he knew the fight was up. I wonder if Madonna was there, given she knew the end was near and her stepmother died only a week or two previously.

How does one even hold up a 900-page book? I'm reading a 350-pager atm and even it's too heavy to comfortably hold and enjoy.

And no, I don't do e-books.

Yikes pancreatic cancer has a very low survival rate. It took him quickly.

I'm not the least bit surprised she helped him. Her compassion shines through when someone is sick. I'm sure she spared no expense for him.

The family has known the stepmother and Christopher had terminal cancer for months. The poor father. Losing two kids and a wife within a year. They have longevity on both sides provided you don't do heavy drugs or drink.

I imagine, R288, that Madonna was not in LA with Christopher but rather facilitated (i.e. paid for) his room, board and cancer treatments from afar. And while that sounds (and is) generous on paper, it's not quite the same as if she'd been there keeping him company. When you have as much money as Madonna, you can throw money at anything and get it done without your life being in any way affected. I also wonder...did Christopher ever meet Lola, Rocco and the rest of the kids? I am just so curious if his and Madonna's detente was just phone calls, or if they physically hung out together in recent years. I feel like she would have posted photos of them together on her IG but maybe not.

R291 You realize she was on tour during most of that time? We have no idea how much time they spent together, or if he even wanted a lot of people around him. I'm sure he was very grateful to have her throw money around to keep him comfortable.

Could there have been Madonna without Christopher?

I do prefer Christ Madonna to Madonna Madonna. She’s so repetitious.

[quote]I also wonder...did Christopher ever meet Lola, Rocco and the rest of the kids?

Christopher posted a pic from the family gathering for Silvio's 90th birthday celebration, so I'm guessing he was present and met Madge's kids.

^^"Who are these mulignanes?"

Thanks to the MARY! that suggested reading the Mary Gabriel bio. I found it as an e-book at my library, and started to read it this morning.

But it IS long. 880 pages printed and my Kindle says 1700 pages (!)

[quote] I don't have the links, but Christopher died of pancreatic and not prostate cancer, per his "spokesperson".

No, it was prostate cancer.

Madonna stole his ideas and diagrams for the Drowned World Tour (tree of life) and gave them to Jamie King. She fucked him over.

Christopher designed the infamous Like a Prayer single cover. She dubbed him the Pope.

[quote] I like to imagine Madonna's Guido junkie brothers are living (and dying) like an episode of The Penguin.

Hon, get better analogies. You’re embarrassing.

[quote] Christopher was a drug user for a long time. If you've ever had a person in your life who was a drug user and refused to get help, there's a point where you have to cut off ties to them because it's too stressful and chaotic.

He did get help. Madonna was trying to control him and had him blacklisted from the entire industry like the brat that she is.

Christopher was a piece of shit but Madonna has always been a bigger one.

R293 She was fine before and after him. He just designed a few tours. He did a great job.

Died from prostate cancer.

There was no before Christopher and everything post Christopher was soulless and a cash grab.

Sorry, I see that it was updated to pancreatic cancer.

R302 Control him? No. She gave him opportunities we'd all die for and he largely squandered them on drugs.

I haven't liked much of what she's done since around the time of Music. A song here and there, but most of it did seem dull or a desperate attempt to keep up.

Is that when Christopher and Vadge fell out?

[quote]Madonna was trying to control him and had him blacklisted from the entire industry like the brat that she is.

That's what he claimed. What he didn't realize is, the industry folks only paid attention to him because he was Madonna's brother. Once she was out of his life, they no longer had to deal with him and the calls stopped coming.

I imagine as hard as she worked, and all the doors she opened for him, she was pissed when he turned to drugs, yet wanted to mark up the furniture on her to buy drugs. He was upset she moved on. He was a big boy and had the world opened to him. She didn’t blacklist him.

It seems like some of you have never had dealings with a drug addict. Trust me, there comes a time when you've just had it with them and you can't deal with them anymore.

I've had lots of dealings with drug addicts. It gets old. On top of that, every time they contact you, they want something.

She once said something like, Everyone talks about how fame changes you, but no one ever talks about how it changes your family and friends. Sibling relationships can be hard to manage even without wealth and celebrity being thrown into the mix. It's a wonder that they were able to work together and stay close for so many years before things fell apart.

Madonna already had issues with her older brother Anthony and his alcoholism. She had paid for his rehab but he kept falling off the wagon. So with Christopher she probably was giving him some tough love by withholding money until he sought help.

In his prime, a lithe, darkly handsome Mediterranean type. At the end?

Christopher Ciccone wrote he was indirectly propositioned by Seymour Stein.

As was everyone else with two balls, r317!

What about one ball, r318?

And for Brother Martin, Madonna paid for his new teeth!

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[quote]In his prime, a lithe, darkly handsome Mediterranean type.

R316, he was NEVER that.

They all aged like cream in a sauna.

R323, Except ME! So young... so young... I bless the wonder of life, and the newness of living.

She looks good.

How sweet is La Toya? She lost Tito last month.

Awww La Toya. That is super sweet, R326. She really does know the feeling, I doubt any of those Jacksons have healed or will ever fully heal from losing Michael at age 50, in such a senseless and avoidable way.

Latoya is a huge Madonna fan from what I've heard.

Is LaToya the only normal Jackson today?

La Toya was probably the only Jackson who broke from the family script and accused Michael of child molestation. She later recanted and went back to the family fold.

LOL LOL LOL lolllllllllll, R329.

LaToya seems to be the only Jackson with a heart and any honesty. Like R330 says - she knew exactly what Michael was doing (they all did) and was the only one to be honest about it before the family reigned her in with threats of being cut off. The rest of the Jackson family are all repulsive grifters, liars, homophobes, anti-Semites, batshit crazy Jehovah's Witnesses, vocal MAGA Trump supporters and the worst of all - they are all filthy paedophile protectors and defenders who don't care how many little boys were raped as long as they kept their money coming in. Disgusting people. Every single one of them.

Say what you will about Madonna because she's definitely not perfect - but compared to anyone in the Jackson family, including Janet; Madonna is a fucking saint and unlike homophobic Janet Jackson - Madonna actually supports and fights for gay people and has done for 40 years when it attracted a lot of negative attention to her. She said fuck all y'all and supported and elevated us anyway.

R332 Many forget she really did put her career on the line for gay rights, gay visibility, gay sexuality. It cost her dearly in middle America. Her record sales (in America)went way down, even though the hits were just as big. (I’ll listen to her, but I can’t buy her). The drop off from TB to LAP is 50%, even though LAP the single was gargantuan, as was EY and Cherish.

I didn't know that R333. You really think that was all due to her supporting the gays in her significant but not overly vocal way? I feel like the Black Jesus imagery in the LAP video was more this issue, no? Folks were grabbing for their smelling salts when that video dropped. I grew up in Missouri and I remember there was was some outrage, calls for banning.

I know little about LaToya other than I remember at DListed they always called her Detective LaToya.

[quote] La Toya was probably the only Jackson who broke from the family script and accused Michael of child molestation. She later recanted and went back to the family fold.

La Toya started getting an allowance and that's when she shut her trap about child molestation.

[quote]Many forget she really did put her career on the line for gay rights, gay visibility, gay sexuality.

It's not that they forget - it's that they pretend she didn't R333. They either pretend she didn't or they shriek that Madonna "used" gays to further her career. And where she might have lost audiences in the US - she picked up audiences all around the world instead to epic numbers and became a global megastar instead. Madonna has always been surrounded by gays and she put us out the front instead of hiding us away like everyone else did.

Yes the imagery of the black Jesus and the stigmata in the Like A Prayer video was the reason the Pepsi commercial was cancelled and the controversary and religious backlash began R334. Madonna just said fuck all y'all and continued unabated.

Madonna is LGBT herself. She's had relationships with women.

Sweet pic of them

R332, Madonna was also a Michael defender.

She forgave him for writing the book. A lot of people would never have forgiven.

R341 I wouldn't have. That's a massive violation of trust. Imagine if our siblings did that? There were times both of us would come off very badly.

It'd have been funny if she turned around and wrote a book about him.

Bette Davis would have.

Christopher: My Mooching Drug Addict Brother

“Christopher Cunt; A Bedtime Story Where You Sleep With Your Purse And Vicodin Clutched To Your Bosom”

R345 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Christopher: Too much is never enough. By too much I mean coke. Lots da coke.

R268 what on earth are you blabbing about with Madonna and Christopher inheriting the family uglier as you age gene?

Most people’s looks peak when they are young. Do you really think that most people continue to get better looking the older they get? Take a look at a pic of your younger self then go take a look in the mirror.

"From Hard Candy to Nose Candy: Navigating Through Career Highs, Lows, Family Betrayal, and a Tosser Ex-husband Taking My Hard-earned Money"

Lol, R348

Life With My Insecure, Fucked Up, Coattail-Riding Closeted Brother Christopher

[quote]Many forget she really did put her career on the line for gay rights, gay visibility, gay sexuality.

Oh, I don't know that it was all that. I'm almost her age and a gay NYer, and I was right here for it all. Madonna's "support" was widely touted on MTV and really every other place where music buyers lived. She was popular in the 1980s and 1990s, not the 1890s! Many observed that her advocacy was always accompanied by what the kids call "appropriation", and all in all was more savvy marketing. I'd say Madonna came out with more than the gays. I notice over the years the mythos of "Madonna the Savior to Gays" is second only to "Trans started Stonewall" myth!

Mom Loved Me More!

R351 No you don’t. If you think supporting the gays in the 19 fucking 80s was anything but risky you’re a breathtakingly stupid person. And no one said she was the savior of gays. To deny she absolutely put her career in jeopardy, and it wasn’t the only time she did or the only issue, shows you are just a hater. Also, you’re warped being a NY gay. You have no fucking clue what life was like in 99% of America during that time, or how viscerally the reaction was to her embrace of not just gays but flamboyant gays. She was America’s beautiful white princess until she shoved very gay men in their faces and did it with a smile. Whatever you think of her, this showed fucking guts and showed a genuine love of gay people.

No Madonna fan at all, but agree with r353. The rest of the country, outside NY-LA, in the 80s and 90s was soooo conservative, not gay-friendly in the least. She really did put it all out there and the hell with where it all fell. And as stated upthread she did have a fall-off in sales, perhaps as a partial result as well as other unrelated factors.

Yes, r353!!!

VISCERALLY!!!! Yeah, no.

The gays were grappling with the AIDS crisis and as I recall Madonna attended and publicized the AIDS Dance-athon with Sandra Bernhardt for a year or two and was part of MTV's Rock the Vote campaign, both of which also generated tons of publicity for her as well. I'm sad to learn by me being a "NY Gay" and living only a few blocks from Madonna my experiences and observations are worthless. Frowny face!

I just don't see any huge issues gay people relied on Madonna to solve, most of us were getting the job done pretty well without her. I know the flyover gaylings were astounded by her "Truth or Dare" doc, but it really hasn't held up well now that we've learned how transactionally Madonna treated every gay guy in it, but ok, I respect your truth too.

But as the song goes, "Mame, pull in your claws", ok?

Agree with R355. I thought Madonna was a real one, until it came out later that she heightened and romanticized her bond with her gay dancers, used them to feed her ego and create some sort of goddess worship circle around her, and then would discarded them all after the tour. My sense is that Madonna loved The Gays as a group of people, and believed in gay rights, and that she was inspired by certain creative gay artists from when she was first coming up in NYC. But by Truth Or Dare she had developed a raging superiority complex and so, unlike those artists she met her first years in the city, to whom she could look up, these dancers, no matter how talented and ambitious they were, were felt to be beneath her as people. Not because they were gay, but because they were merely backup dancers to her superstar self. Yeah, I think that's what it was, it had nothing to do with Madonna turning on The Gays. She just was apt to use, condescend, make fun of or discard anyone lower on the totem pole than herself.

[quote]and then would discarded them all after the tour.

It was mortifying to feel so rejected.

After Blond Ambition, I never saw her again.

I hired dancers. I didn't hire lifelong friends.

The dancers were employees. Have you ever developed a deep bond with your co-workers?

R355 and r356 revisionist history

Madonna was instrumental in formulating the acceptance of gays in society.

Judy Garland and Bette Midler were far more instrumental.

Judy is a big reason as to why Stonewall happened. Bette sang at the very first pride parade in NYC.

Madonna was instrumental in the 80s and 90s. She brought gay culture into the mainstream in a way it hadn't been before and she was very vocal about gay rights. She did a lot. It was a terribly homophobic time.

🔑 bump ❄️

Madonna just did a mourning photo shoot for Christopher. She’s disturbed. At least she isn’t showing her fake square ass.